Teachers Salaries

glenn3ie

I'm just wondering what way teachers salaries work? I heard somewhere there is a 20-something step process and it goes up each year or something like that?

Are you paid by how many hours you teach a week? Do you get more if you teach more than one subject? are you paid per class? I cant seem to find any info anywhere!

Any help would be appreciated!

spurious

glenn3ie wrote: »

I'm just wondering what way teachers salaries work? I heard somewhere there is a 20-something step process and it goes up each year or something like that?

Are you paid by how many hours you teach a week? Do you get more if you teach more than one subject? are you paid per class? I cant seem to find any info anywhere!

Any help would be appreciated!

The scale can be seen here.
It is the same regardless of what type of school you teach in. It does not go up each year - there are a number of 'stops' where it remains the same for three or five years. Most people when appointed to a permanent position start on point three. Allowances ar added for various extra qualifications or promotional posts or extra duties.

If not appointed to a full-time permanent job, you could be on 'pro rata' so if teaching eleven hours class contact you would be on half the salary point.

People teaching below a certain number of hours, or who are not fully qualified are paid on an hourly rate.

I hope I've got that all right.

TheDriver

You are correct except maternity leave cover etc can still on a per hour basis and theres a different rate for qualified and non qualified. And you get paid for amount of work you do, no matter how many subjects.

wesclark

Three slightly unrelated questions

1) When does one have to apply for a H. Dip? What is the process after graduation (1 year h dip then 1 year in-school training?)

2) To what extent can one choose what school one would teach in? I would like to go back to my ols school

3) My degree is BA Hons. Economic and Social Science (Politics). What subjects could I teach for the leaving?

thanks,
conal

TheDriver

1) Dip closing date is usually in November for following Sept so check out cao.ie (i think) quickly. One you graduate, you find a job and be prepared as can be hard enough to get one. The school chooses you, not you the school! If your old school has a job, then you can apply and be selected. Why would you want your old school though, it most likely is close to your home which is something not to be recommended.
3) Ask the teaching council.

Amtmann

spurious wrote: »

The scale can be seen here.
It is the same regardless of what type of school you teach in. It does not go up each year - there are a number of 'stops' where it remains the same for three or five years. Most people when appointed to a permanent position start on point three. Allowances ar added for various extra qualifications or promotional posts or extra duties.

If not appointed to a full-time permanent job, you could be on 'pro rata' so if teaching eleven hours class contact you would be on half the salary point.

People teaching below a certain number of hours, or who are not fully qualified are paid on an hourly rate.

I hope I've got that all right.

Hi Spurious,

If a new teacher started on point 3 (thus earning 33,226 euro per annum) but had a First Class primary degree (4,928 euro per annum) and a First Class H.Dip (1,238 euro per annum), would their pay rate at entry then be:

33226 + 4928 + 1238 = 39392 euro per annum?

Trotter

Furet wrote: »

Hi Spurious,

If a new teacher started on point 3 (thus earning 33,226 euro per annum) but had a First Class primary degree (4,928 euro per annum) and a First Class H.Dip (1,238 euro per annum), would their pay rate at entry then be:

33226 + 4928 + 1238 = 39392 euro per annum?

You wouldnt get the H Dip money if it was a H Dip in Primary Education.

If you had a H Dip of some other kind (secondary teaching for example) then you'd get that allowance also.

Amtmann

Trotter wrote: »

You wouldnt get the H Dip money if it was a H Dip in Primary Education.

If you had a H Dip of some other kind (secondary teaching for example) then you'd get that allowance also.

Thanks trotter. When I said 'primary degree' I meant something like a BA for example.

To be honest, 39k per annum starting off seems very good to me; it's a lot better than I thought it would be.

Trotter

Furet wrote: »

Thanks trotter. When I said 'primary degree' I meant something like a BA for example.

To be honest, 39k per annum starting off seems very good to me; it's a lot better than I thought it would be.

I know what ya mean alright. I have a BSc Hons, and now a H Dip in Primary Ed. I dont get the allowance for H Dip though.

My friend has a BBS Hons, a H Dip in Secondary Ed, and a H Dip in Primary Ed. She does get the H Dip allowance.

Amtmann

Trotter wrote: »

I know what ya mean alright. I have a BSc Hons, and now a H Dip in Primary Ed. I dont get the allowance for H Dip though.

My friend has a BBS Hons, a H Dip in Secondary Ed, and a H Dip in Primary Ed. She does get the H Dip allowance.

Interesting. Have you ever thought about doing an MA? It would mean another couple of thousand per year...it would be tough, financially speaking, to do it (I presume we would have to pay full whack because an MA is deemed equivalent to a H.Dip and so you are not 'progressing') but it would surely pay for itself in the longer term and might be beneficial when applying for a principalship in the future.

Trotter

Furet wrote: »

Interesting. Have you ever thought about doing an MA? It would mean another couple of thousand per year...it would be tough, financially speaking, to do it (I presume we would have to pay full whack because an MA is deemed equivalent to a H.Dip and so you are not 'progressing') but it would surely pay for itself in the longer term and might be beneficial when applying for a principalship in the future.

I've only just started as a permanent teacher and I've still got the shakes from the H.Dip exams.

So... no... no MA just yet. I'm still in awe at 2 paid weeks at Christmas. As for principalship.. Not quite yet

MathsManiac

Furet wrote: »

...Have you ever thought about doing an MA? It would mean another couple of thousand per year...

An honours MA would give less than €600 per annum extra for someone who already has an hons BSc., so would not be worth it from a monetary perspective, as it would take ages to earn back your fees. So, other motivation is required!

Amtmann

MathsManiac wrote: »

An honours MA would give less than €600 per annum extra for someone who already has an hons BSc., so would not be worth it from a monetary perspective, as it would take ages to earn back your fees. So, other motivation is required!

But this ( http://www.asti.ie/payandcon.htm#1 scroll down) suggests that a holder of an MA would earn an additional 5506 euro per annum, no?

Trotter

Furet wrote: »

But this ( http://www.asti.ie/payandcon.htm#1 scroll down) suggests that a holder of an MA would earn an additional 5506 euro per annum, no?

Ah but ya see ya cant have an honours degree allowance and a masters allowance. Its one or the other I'm afraid!

So.. The €4,927 would rise to €5,506.

And the Masters would probably cost you 10k in the first place.

Other motivation would absolutely be required!

rainbowtrout

MathsManiac wrote: »

An honours MA would give less than €600 per annum extra for someone who already has an hons BSc., so would not be worth it from a monetary perspective, as it would take ages to earn back your fees. So, other motivation is required!

And that's before tax!! Masters is not worth doing for the money unless you have a pass degree to begin with then the pay rise is substantial

And if you have an Hons Degree and get a Pass Masters there is no difference in the allowances!

Amtmann

Trotter wrote: »

Ah but ya see ya cant have an honours degree allowance and a masters allowance. Its one or the other I'm afraid!

So.. The €4,927 would rise to €5,506.

And the Masters would probably cost you 10k in the first place.

Other motivation would absolutely be required!

Gottcha. Other motivation would indeed be required!

TheDriver

afaik, a research masters only gets you a pass masters rate (according to a colleague) even though it could take ages longer!!

rainbowtrout

TheDriver wrote: »

afaik, a research masters only gets you a pass masters rate (according to a colleague) even though it could take ages longer!!

Not as such, it depends on what the college decides to award you. I have a few friends who did research masters in science and education and got honours. But it can take longer, especially when colleges want to hang on to their postgrads as a form of cheap labour for taking labs, tutorials, correcting assignments etc.

Easier to go the route of the taught masters, as least there's a definite end to it.

TheDriver

At end of it all, a masters is a masters and I did it in a weird area of sciene and always get asked about it in interviews with extreme interest, always a talking point and it gets me more money!!

spurious

If extra dosh is the goal, it's probably easier to get promoted to Assistant Principal.
AP does of course tend to require (or possibly cultivate) a particular type of madness.:D

TheDriver

It requires a certifiable need for more work not worth the pay, especially in second level!! The term Year Head comes horribly to mind!

ateam

Do unqualified substitute teachers ever get an increase? Been subbing over a year now.

rainbowtrout

The incremental pay scale only applied if you are on contract. Doesn't apply to subbing