HRTA rules

Masada

Ive noticed over time from reading various threads that in relation to airsoft as a sport it is looked down apon to refer to an airsoft pistol/rifle etc as a gun or a weapon, presumably to avoid having people's opinions of them tarnished by the reputations of "real" guns and weapons but while i was reading the rules section of the HRTA site i noticed that there has been a lot of reference to them as guns and as weapons, surely a site such as HRTA would be aware that it isnt regarded as a wise move to refer to them as such? or is it the case that its making a bigger deal out of nothing and that just some people are bothered by using the term "gun" when talking about an airsoft rifle/pistol?

just wondering what other people on here think of calling your aeg or pistol (or whatever type it is) a gun.,


I also noticed another part of the rules that i found quiet funny,.,lol,

If your eye protection comes off, comes

loose from the frame, comes loose at the strap or lens cracks in the battle zone, place your hands

over your eyes, drop to the ground, call out: "EMERGENCY!" and yell for assistance. Do not look up.

surely nobody does this though? i understand the fact that a bb can do damage to an unprotected eye but the terminology of this quote makes it sound like someones just shout you with a 357 magnum and your calling for a medic like they do in the films.,lol, when i was paintballing we were told just to hold our hand up and wait for assistance and can only imagine the damage a paintball would do to your eye.,

i thought this was funny too.,lol:D

No faking of injuries. This is not an acceptable tactic.

Harekin

All sites use the "Blindman" rule. If you or someone elses eyes are not protected in the game zone shout "Blindman" and the game should pause.

Masada

sounds funny though to start screaming "EMERGENCY" doesnt it.,lol.,

Gatling

the key word is EMERGENCY every bodys understands someone is down or lost there eye protection ,dosent matter how it sounds ,at least everybody understands the word ,blind man stick to emergency no need to confuse things,
as for faking injuries it probably has happened at some stage ,pissed ppl off id say
just think of a skirmish and think how many bbs are flying through the air ,AEG s high rate of fire total different to a pb marker,1 bb could do an eye damage but 11/17 bbs hit the one eye goodluck

as for the orginal question WTF

Hivemind187

vtec, simple answer. Paul is a venue operator and was the man goodly enough to open the first site in the republic and give us all a reason to exist. His skills with the written word do not come into it.

Moreover, the difference in terminology is fine for two reasons. 1) Its his venue, his website and his business, he can say what he like. He could call Airsoft units guns, rifles, weapons, oranges, apples, ford escorts, miniature SCUD launchers or Lenny if it suited him to. 2) Paul operates a "treat them as if they are real" policy on his site for safety reasons. Most people reading the site will be operating with either a working knowledge of Airsoft or are people who operate live firearms - in both cases these people are unlikely to be offended by someone treating the equipment as if it were real.

Hope this helps.

Boston

The important thing about rules like pauls, is to get the message across as plainly and clearly as possible. If calling an AEG a Weapon makes it clearer to people the dangers involved and the various risk, then I don't think anyone here will ever have a problem with it. Legally they are toys, but the last thing you would call an AEG is a toy in a situation like this, as that implies harmless.

ambro25

vtec, the simple fact of the matter is that this is a Public Forum with unrestricted access, HRTA is a private business with restricted access (in the form of entry fees and the right to refuse entry by the owner/operator).

Whatever Paul writes on his website is part of that business and engages only him/his business, and the reasons for calling AEGs and the like "weapons" on the website have been aptly explained by Boston and others. Moreover, you need to know/hear about HRTA to get at the website.

Whatever any poster writes in here reflects on the sport as a whole, and you only need to know about Boards to get at our subforum (given that the main page displays every thread update in every Forum). Asking not to name AEGs and the like 'weapons' in here is, in good part, asking every poster with an interest in the sport to promote its approachability, and remove its "headline-grabbing potential" that little bit much further.

Nothing 'funny' or 'off' about it

Masada

right, first i better start off by clearing up the first question, i have noticed it is not encouraged to call them weapons or guns around here and ambros reasons now make a lot of sense to me, I hadnt thought of that before and question isnt about weather i agree with addressing them as weapons or guns, its simply to help me and other new people to the sport understand why its not liked.


as for the emergency part, it was simply a passing joke in which i exagerated the reading of it to make it sound funny, aparently there are some people who dont have a sense of humour.
Hivemind, I know nothing of paul and i havent insulted him in any way, I was simply asking a question so i could understand why its acceptable to use certain terminology over there and not here, I feel i understand the reasons better now but i can imagine other newbies are going to be wondering the exact same thing, al least they now have somethng to read instead og having someone jump down their throats about using the wrong word.,

ambro25

vtec wrote:

as for the emergency part, it was simply a passing joke in which i exagerated the reading of it to make it sound funny, aparently there are some people who dont have a sense of humour.

I think you'll find that we do (have a greatly developed sense of humour ): I mean, really, in which other sport (aside from paintball) do you have people shooting at one another one minute, which sometimes proves a little painful, yet laugh it off the next when the game's over

There's tons to make jokes about. But to be fair, the one thing noone ever jokes about is safety, firstly because the public perception of the sport over any length of time will depend in very good part on a zero-accident record, and secondly because eye protection (the topic at hand for 'Emergency/Blindman') is the absolute-first-utmost topic within those safety considerations: the eye is the human part most at risk when airsofting, because the only part that might actually be seriously injured/damaged (Forensics notwithstanding) by BBs.

I think the message by earlier posters is essentially that - and not necessarily directed at you personally

Hivemind187

Well put ambro.

vtec, I understand that my post may have come across as scathing but please understand that the issue of safety when it comes to airsoft is not something to make light of. Especially when it comes to safety calls.

It might seem unlikely but from experience i know that the trivialisation of special calls like "Medic!" or "Emergency!" only results in their use in the wrong circumstances, frivolously and for a cheap laugh. The detriment of this is when the call is really needed and people are slower to react because they have heard enough people cry wolf.

As regards the contents of the HRTA website, spelling mistakes and grammar errors happen. Paul is a venue operator, not an English (engrish?) teacher.

werent you supposed to PM me?

ambro25

Hivemind187 wrote: »

werent you supposed to PM me?

Me

Hivemind187

ambro25 wrote: »

Me

lol, no, ztec was supposed to.

CrazyRabbit

I've seen the 'Emergency' rule in action and it works very well. One of the guys in Predator got hit in his mask with a bb that shattered (extremely rare). Since he was wearing a mesh mask, some of the 'powdered' bb got in his eyes. As soon as "Emergency" was shouted, everyone stopped play and gathered around the guy to protect him.

Oh and in case anyone is wondering, he was perfectly fine 2 mins later after washing his eyes.

As for spelling, every 2nd post I make is edited at a later stage by me to fix a spelling or grammar error.

Masada

its good to see people are taking the safety issue seriously but when i mentioned it earlier it was only in a passing joke, it wasnt the point of the thread and I fully understand that there has to be a safety proceedure and that professionalism and responsibility are the way forward in the sport.,
my main question was to do with the termonology, it came from reading on here for example, a lot of people mention "real steal" and i was simply wondering why it was wrong to use gun or weapon etc,, I take it the reference to them as guns is a boards thing and not a universal thing within airsoft.,

Alvin T. Grey

No faking of injuries. This is not an acceptable tactic.

Means, no clearing the gun, raising it in the air, heading back to the safe zone:

And as soon as you are out of the line of fire, turning around and tagging someone in the back.

nonex

vtec wrote: »

Ive noticed over time from reading various threads that in relation to airsoft as a sport it is looked down apon to refer to an airsoft pistol/rifle etc as a gun or a weapon, presumably to avoid having people's opinions of them tarnished by the reputations of "real" guns and weapons but while i was reading the rules section of the HRTA site i noticed that there has been a lot of reference to them as guns and as weapons, surely a site such as HRTA would be aware that it isnt regarded as a wise move to refer to them as such? or is it the case that its making a bigger deal out of nothing and that just some people are bothered by using the term "gun" when talking about an airsoft rifle/pistol?

just wondering what other people on here think of calling your aeg or pistol (or whatever type it is) a gun.,


I also noticed another part of the rules that i found quiet funny,.,lol,



surely nobody does this though? i understand the fact that a bb can do damage to an unprotected eye but the terminology of this quote makes it sound like someones just shout you with a 357 magnum and your calling for a medic like they do in the films.,lol, when i was paintballing we were told just to hold our hand up and wait for assistance and can only imagine the damage a paintball would do to your eye.,

i thought this was funny too.,lol:D

vtec

all airsoft site's refer to an airsoft pistol/rifle etc as a gun or a weapon in there rule's, so it's not just me, might have something to do with the rule's used in training for real steel for, SS's, STAC's, TOOCCS, MST's, the same rule's where used, so when the civi's got in to airsoft they used the rule's that where there all ready, here are airsoft rule's the same as mine, there the same as evey airsoft site.

http://www.dragonvalley.co.uk/index.php?link=rules
http://www.cpxsports.com/cpx_content/forms/airsoft.pdf
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/airsoft/rules.html
http://www.eaghq.com/AIRSOFTRULES.htm
As for spelling, and grammar, some thing i cant do, sorry for that.

Masada

im not picking on your rules in particular mate, if it came accross like that then i apologise, i was simply comparing your rules to peoples opinion over here., When i first started looking on this airsoft section of boards i would have called them guns aswell but some people dont like that, i was then under the impression that universaly there not refered to as guns within the airsoft community so when i read your rules it got me thinking about weather it was all just a few people being overly particular about it., Its different for those of you that have been involved in this for some time whereas a new person is left wondering if they call it a gun are some of the regulars gonna put them down for It, I wasnt sure if i should call it that either,.,
As mentioned above, I am relatively new to the sport and there is so much terminology to figure out, for example,

rule's used in training for real steel for, SS's, STAC's, TOOCCS, MST's, the same rule's where used,

I thought people said "real steel" because they shouldnt say "gun", noobie mistake i know,. as as for the rest of that quote i have now idea what it all means.,:o.,lol