STT Rail Security

parsi

According the the PSA all security personnel have to wear ID badges. Today in Heuston I noticed that the STT Rail Security crew (who all look like they have been freshly released from Serbian prisons) have nary a badge between them.

Does Iarnrod Eireann have an exemption of some form ?

delta_bravo

parsi wrote: »

According the the PSA all security personnel have to wear ID badges. Today in Heuston I noticed that the STT Rail Security crew (who all look like they have been freshly released from Serbian prisons) have nary a badge between them.

Does Iarnrod Eireann have an exemption of some form ?

Ive never seen a bouncer with id on him

parsi

delta_bravo wrote: »

Ive never seen a bouncer with id on him

They do exist. Plenty of them down here in Cork.

godtabh

parsi wrote: »

(who all look like they have been freshly released from Serbian prisons)

Whats that got to do with it?

parsi wrote: »

According the the PSA all security personnel have to wear ID badges. Today in Heuston I noticed that the STT Rail Security crew have nary a badge between them.

Does Iarnrod Eireann have an exemption of some form ?

The ones I've seen on the Maynooth line had them but I wouldnt see them al that often

parsi

I have always subscribed to the view that security personnel in public view should at least look respectable. One of the guys yesterday looked like he had been in a fight shortly before he was released from his Serbian prison...

jick the rapper

so Parsi, if some scummer attacks you and attempts to rob you, would you be against one of these serbians coming to your aid?

i think not!

BendiBus

parsi wrote: »

One of the guys yesterday looked like he had been in a fight shortly before he was released from his Serbian prison...

Maybe he had been in a fight. Security people tend to be found in places where there's trouble. I wonder what the other guy looked like

SeanW

jick the rapper wrote: »

so Parsi, if some scummer attacks you and attempts to rob you, would you be against one of these serbians coming to your aid?

i think not!

Red Alert

What's all the anti-security sentiment for OP? IMHO it is high time that the thugs were dealt with in a more heavy handed way seen as they make commuters' lives a misery.

parsi

A lazarus thread...

Anyway my query was about the lack of displayed ID. Guards have to operate with ID details displayed so why not private security firms ?

I'm all for security but maybe it should be better targetted (think luas stop outside Heuston) or use joined-up thinking (think herding the troublesome folks from Heuston (IEs problem) to the luas stop (Veolia's problem)).

Maybe we should have a fully-fledged, fully trained & vetted Transport police with all necessary powers ?

godtabh

I'm on the train now and the lads had id on them.

By law (i think) they have to be a member of some "union" or regulatory body to work as security

Victor

jick the rapper wrote: »

so Parsi, if some scummer attacks you and attempts to rob you, would you be against one of these serbians coming to your aid? i think not!

Jack, not need to drag up an old thread, when there is a current security thread.

SeanW, not need for cats, not yet anyway.

jick the rapper

parsi wrote: »

A lazarus thread...

Anyway my query was about the lack of displayed ID. Guards have to operate with ID details displayed so why not private security firms ?

I'm all for security but maybe it should be better targetted (think luas stop outside Heuston) or use joined-up thinking (think herding the troublesome folks from Heuston (IEs problem) to the luas stop (Veolia's problem)).

Maybe we should have a fully-fledged, fully trained & vetted Transport police with all necessary powers ?

You display a distinct lack of operational knowledge regarding security, AND, of the inter-relations between our capitals transport systems!

And to pick up on a previous point you made, an individual’s outward appearance shouldn’t be used as a barometer of their ability!

parsi

jick the rapper wrote: »

You display a distinct lack of operational knowledge regarding security, AND, of the inter-relations between our capitals transport systems!

Lovely phrase full of buzzwords but ultimately irelevant.

I doubt that such operational knowledge or lack thereof would be reassuring to a person buying a Luas ticket at Heuston whilst surrounded by the dregs of Dublin society. Those folk on this forum complaining about the Luas being full of skangers don't need operational knowledge in order to validate their feeling of unease or fear.

jick the rapper wrote: »

And to pick up on a previous point you made, an individual’s outward appearance shouldn’t be used as a barometer of their ability!

In the real world it is.

EDIT: Mods can this lazarus thread be locked ?

jick the rapper

parsi wrote: »

Lovely phrase full of buzzwords but ultimately irelevant.

I doubt that such operational knowledge or lack thereof would be reassuring to a person buying a Luas ticket at Heuston whilst surrounded by the dregs of Dublin society. Those folk on this forum complaining about the Luas being full of skangers don't need operational knowledge in order to validate their feeling of unease or fear.



In the real world it is.

EDIT: Mods can this lazarus thread be locked ?

No buzz words, Just "real world" terminology

And I spoke of operational knowledge from the point of view of managing the different systems

So then you would prefer a clean shaven, suited and manicured individual trying to drag the "dregs” of society off your back??

Look, you obviously have no experience regarding security, either in its management, or practical implementation, so I suggest you keep your half baked opinions to yourself!

Judgement Day

Hello! The whole idea of the Boards is for people to express their opinions even if others don't agree with them.

jick the rapper

I agree J.D.

Unfortunately some people insist on speaking about something while completely unequipped to do so!

Or denigrate someone, or a group of people because of there own personal biases and preconceptions.

The “dregs of society” indeed!

parsi

jick the rapper wrote: »

No buzz words, Just "real world" terminology

And I spoke of operational knowledge from the point of view of managing the different systems

Look, you obviously have no experience regarding security, either in its management, or practical implementation, so I suggest you keep your half baked opinions to yourself!

What difference does that make to someone standing at the Luas ticket machine in Heuston surrounded by druggies and beggars ?

Is experience or knowledge a prerequisite for stating an opinion ?

I'm a consumer of security - despite the proliferation of rent-a-cops we have a less secure environment. We need real security provided by members of AGS who have the training, the ability, the wit , the power and the background to see the whole situation rather than just move the problem somewhere else.

Victor

This thread isn't really going anywhere.