No reg... but still evidence

cormie

Ok, so hypothetically, if I was caught by a gatso or whatever and for some reason my reg plate wasn't clear in the shot so they had nothing to go by, bar my big VanTasks.ie logo on the front and back, would they still pursue this I wonder?

Marcus.Aurelius

If the Van is registered with the company, they may very well follow it up. Not sure.

Wishbone Ash

I very much doubt it!


No sign of a "cormie's van" sub-forum yet?

cormie

Now with search back, I see I've started 169 topics in the motors forum alone. Thought it would be more actually:o

patrickc

i've often looked out for the van tasks van (particularly in the hard shoulder with hazards on ) yet to see it though

stepbar

How long does it take for a fine to come out in the post anyhow?

Wishbone Ash

patrickc2006 wrote: »

(particularly in the hard shoulder with hazards on )

:D

stepbar wrote:

How long does it take for a fine to come out in the post anyhow?

Don't know what the average time is but it must arrive within 6 months.

yayamark

The Gatso van takes a photo of the reg not the whole van

A fine could take a week to 3 months approx.

drdre

I have seen the van task van afew times.I have to say it looks good.

cazzy

cormie wrote: »

Ok, so hypothetically, if I was caught by a gatso or whatever and for some reason my reg plate wasn't clear in the shot so they had nothing to go by, bar my big VanTasks.ie logo on the front and back, would they still pursue this I wonder?

Whats a gatso ?

drdre

cazzy wrote: »

Whats a gatso ?

Its a speed camera

cormie

patrickc2006 wrote: »

i've often looked out for the van tasks can (particularly in the hard shoulder with hazards on ) yet to see it though

Haha, but I got a shiney "new" 02 van so you'll have to divert your eyes to more than just bangers. I wonder how the old one is getting on with its new owners:o This one hasn't given me an ounce of trouble yet, whoo!

That's good to know it only takes a photo of the reg so:) I'll leave asking how the cameras actually work till another time;)

cormie

drdre wrote: »

I have seen the van task van afew times.I have to say it looks good.

Thanks Dre:)

Gran Hermano

cazzy wrote: »

Whats a gatso ?

Big scary machine that eats speeders

Google or wiki can be your friends

Wossack

'only takes a photo of the reg' ? I doubt it... where'd you hear that?

/edit
example of what I thought they did:
link

Seth Brundle

yayamark wrote: »

The Gatso van takes a photo of the reg not the whole van

The purpose of the markings on the road in front of the Gatso are to do a manual calculation if necessary. Pretty pointless if the camera doesn't capture these!
Also how would the Gatso manage to find the reg of the vehicle and zoom in, focus, take a pic and then do it all again within the time?
As said, it is a wide pic taken. You may receive only a copy of the reg with your notice but you can request the entire pic.

prospect

AFAIK, the gatso's are the mobile cameras, and these do not require the markings on the road surface.
The markings are only used with the fixed speed cameras.

However, the gatso DOES take more than the reg plate. We have received fines here in work and the driver also appears in the photo. This was companies can identify who is driving a particular vehicle when an offense is commited.

axer

OP: AFAIK they would need a reg plate to issue the speeding ticket as they couldn't prove it was one of your vans otherwise. I could put your logo on a van and drive it around - it would not be a crimminal offence for me to do so I would think but for me to copy one of your reg plates would.

Seth Brundle

prospect wrote: »

AFAIK, the gatso's are the mobile cameras, and these do not require the markings on the road surface.

See the link in Gran Hermano's post - wiki

prospect

kbannon wrote: »

See the link in Gran Hermano's post - wiki

Thanks,

I stand corrected. It is quite difficult to type whilst standing, but there you go....


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cormie

axer wrote: »

OP: AFAIK they would need a reg plate to issue the speeding ticket as they couldn't prove it was one of your vans otherwise. I could put your logo on a van and drive it around - it would not be a crimminal offence for me to do so I would think but for me to copy one of your reg plates would.

That's cool, so go ahead, more advertising the better:p

Gran Hermano

It is my understanding there are 2 types of gatso devices in use:
- the fixed gatso cameras which use the road markings and take
a picture of the rear of a vehicle when they detect it is exceeding
the speed limit. (Example being the fixed camera on M50 northbound
between Tallaght and Ballymount.)
- mobile gatso vans which park up on the hard-shoulder and take a
photo of the front of a car approaching the gatso van exceeding
the speed limit. (Example being the white transit van at Harris Iveco
on N7 this morning with a camera pointed out the back window).

Only the mobile gatso vans can produce a photo which will
identify the driver.

Esel

cormie, that spray stuff does not work! If you believe it does, and drive over the limit regularly, you probably will have gathered enough points for a disqualification before the first photo drops through your door.

Cue the 'cormie seeks a good solicitor' thread.

cormie

Haha, nah, I'm a good boy, I haven't bought that stuff and as far as I know, haven't been snapped yet so I'm still on "no pwa" or however the French say it in the Eurovision:D

bbability

yayamark wrote: »

The Gatso van takes a photo of the reg not the whole van

Speaking of the Irish Gasto Van. I would question the legallity of a photgraph being taken behind a window as totally inaccurate and against the camera makers guidelines(apparantley its in the instruction manual). I'm suprised no one has challanged this in court yet. I know in the UK all Gatso vans are clearly marked and there's an opening in the rear window to allow the camera to take a proper photo.

Bendihorse

Could be an stupid story from a stupid individual but i was speaking with someone (of low I.Q. it has to be said so i took this with a pinch of salt) who reckons that he has 12 points on his licence but has not yet had it revoked? They were all for relatively minor offences such as being on the phone and no seat belt so i don't think hes ever had to appear before a judge... is this possible or was he just talking brown? If it is, then the points system is very flawed.

bbability

I've just had a look at the uk speedtraps website and take a look for yourself. and I quote "As you may be aware, all speed cameras must now be clearly marked and visible from a certain distance. This also applies to mobile speedtraps such as vans and hand held guns"

Here's the link to there mobile camera's (if it doesn't work click on Talivan icon)
http://www.speedcam.co.uk/index2.htm

Pherekydes

Bendihorse wrote: »

They were all for relatively minor offences such as being on the phone...

Talking on a phone while driving is a minor offence? You'll change your mind when you see a HGV swinging wide around a corner you're approaching with one hand on the wheel and one to his ear.

seamus

bbability wrote: »

I've just had a look at the uk speedtraps website and take a look for yourself. and I quote "As you may be aware, all speed cameras must now be clearly marked and visible from a certain distance. This also applies to mobile speedtraps such as vans and hand held guns"

That's a requirement in the UK, not here.

They wouldn't be able to collect any tax if they were highly visible.

DublinDilbert

yayamark wrote: »

The Gatso van takes a photo of the reg not the whole van

A fine could take a week to 3 months approx.

Well actually the gatso van doesn't take a picture, it takes a video of passing traffic, each frame of the video is time stamped... they match up the data from the radar with the video of the traffic off-line.... so in theory they should be able to read what's on the side of the van..

GTC

yayamark wrote: »

The Gatso van takes a photo of the reg not the whole van

A fine could take a week to 3 months approx.

GATSO Camera takes a photo of the whole van, to include the driver. We send out a picture of the registration and request that the driver be named. If its obviously wrong, (say a girl driver is said to be a man driver) we can follow it up.

Most GATSO photos take the whole vehicle picture, especially the new ones, as the picture is of very high quality and you can zoom in very easily.

cormie

GTC wrote: »

GATSO Camera takes a photo of the whole van, to include the driver. We send out a picture of the registration and request that the driver be named. If its obviously wrong, (say a girl driver is said to be a man driver) we can follow it up.

Most GATSO photos take the whole vehicle picture, especially the new ones, as the picture is of very high quality and you can zoom in very easily.

I'm guessing by your post your a Garda yourself? What would you do yourself in the original scenario if the reg was for some reason illegible but the company name was clear?

seamus

I'd say it would depend on the company. If they look up the company and find one vehicle registered to it, then they could rationally say "That's vehicle 02-D-1234". If the company can prove that they have more than one vehicle with that logo on it (say one of the directors had a personal vehicle with the logo on it), then the Gardai can't prove which vehicle was speeding, and the thing falls over.

Think of a larger company - say Calyx, who may have 20 identical vehicles on the road. If the reg is unreadable, then the company can rightfully say, "we don't know who was driving", and the Gardai can't prove who was driving.

However in my mind it still proves that one of their vehicles broke the law, which means that a fine can be issued, just points can't be applied.

cormie

But then again, what about axer's point that he could be driving around with a company logo on his van. Take all them girl racers and their playboy logos :rolleyes: for example.

MercMad

GTC wrote: »

GATSO Camera takes a photo of the whole van, to include the driver. We send out a picture of the registration and request that the driver be named. If its obviously wrong, (say a girl driver is said to be a man driver) we can follow it up.

Most GATSO photos take the whole vehicle picture, especially the new ones, as the picture is of very high quality and you can zoom in very easily.

...........this is quite true. We recieved the photo about 2 years back, and it only had the reg, we knew it was our car because you could just make out part of the bootlid, but we couldn't recall who was driving. We didn't bother requesting the bigger photo, we just knew it was one of us !

I cant recall if you have to pay for the bigger photo, I doubt it but you never know !

If they dont have the reg I doubt they would persue it !

GTC

cormie wrote: »

I'm guessing by your post your a Garda yourself? What would you do yourself in the original scenario if the reg was for some reason illegible but the company name was clear?

It would depend on my own workload. If the name of the business is clear, I might send a ticket to the company's main office, to let them pick out the van and the driver at the time. If they've loads of vans, might not be so inclined.

It depends on the individual Garda, if he has a good picture of the van, he may pursue it.

axer

GTC wrote: »

It would depend on my own workload. If the name of the business is clear, I might send a ticket to the company's main office, to let them pick out the van and the driver at the time. If they've loads of vans, might not be so inclined.

It depends on the individual Garda, if he has a good picture of the van, he may pursue it.

Would it hold up in court without a reg is another question - which I doubt it.

eringobragh

The GATSO has a garda operator using a Laser gun connected to a camera with a time ,date & speed stamp, as well as other ref numbers they use