Fallon court case

finbarrk

From reading about todays events in the court it would seem that the racing authorities have a fairly solid case against the jockeys in question. They seem to have it well backed up regarding phone records, cars bugged, etc.
Fallon lost on 12 horses but won on 5 which were meant to have lost so they didn't do too well out of him!

Bluetonic

finbarrk wrote:

From reading about todays events in the court it would seem that the racing authorities have a fairly solid case against the jockeys in question.

In all honesty without the knowledge of todays events you think that if they didn't have a fairly solid case it would have gotten to the High Court.

Of course they have a strong case hence it's High Court date.

Colonel Sanders

The way the investigation has been carried out has been laughable. Getting an australian with no experience of Britih racing to make calls on jockeys riding at tracks he has no knowledge of or understanding of their different characteristics. None of the trainers who trained the horses involved were asked their opinions on any of the rides and more than one of them wrote to the racingpost rubbishing the claims saying they were more than happy with the ride Fallon gave their horses (some had won and some had lost but ran well). I'm sure many of them will be only too happy to act as witnesses for the defence.

IMO the evidence against Lynch and Williams seems far stronger than that against Fallon, second guessing what so called coded text messages mean when they were send from mobiles not registered in his name is nothing more than circumstantial and most certainly does not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm open to correction on this, but I haven't seen any evidence of Fallon receiving money yet. I'll reserve judgement until the defence case is put forward but one thing is for certain, the man is innocent until proven guilty and his treatment by the british racing authorities is a disgrace. In the event that he's proven innocent (and I hope he will be) I hope several heads roll and he sues everyone he cn for every penny he can get.

Obviously if he's guilty he deserves to be punished but there's a long way to go before the verict will be known.

Danny2580

I think the case they've made against Fallon is laughable. If the defence get their act together he'll surely be cleared.

premierstone

Fingers crossed Danny here we have an Irish sportsman who can genuinely claim to be ''world class'' and god knows how few of them we have

Hawk Wing

if his defence has even the competency of a common solicitor, they'll rip the prosecution apart based on their evidence so far, the phones thing seems to be a load of circumstantial nonsense, as far easing down Ballinger Ridge, has anyone ever seen Paul Carberry or Ruby Walsh in all their glory easing down horses in handicaps

Colonel Sanders

Of course the Balinger ridge ride looks dodgy but when was the last time a jockey appeared in the dock for dropping his hands.

Won't name names as I don't want to get the site in any kind of potential trouble, but it amazes me that Fallon is in court but many, many others involved in racing sleep soundly in their beds at night. It may emerge that Kieran Fallon deserves to be thrown to the wolves but one thing is for certain there are numerous others who should be ahead of him.

masterK

I thought the use of the Balinger ridge ride was laughable, if an accomplished jockey like Fallon really wanted to throw a race there are less noticeable ways to do so.

To win on 5 out of 17 (or almost 1 in 3) mounts when supposedly trying to lose is some achievement, especially since over the last 5 years his strike rate is less than 1 in 5. So almost doubled his strike rate when trying to lose. If that's the case he should try to lose all the time from now on.

Colonel Sanders

My only slight worry is the jury. I assume they were looking for impartial people with no real knowledge of horse racing.

Many people I know look at so clled 'suspicious incidents' on TV and say things along the lines of 'Oh my god, he definately wasn't trying there' despite knowing zero about racing and race riding. The fact that an 'expert' race reader agreed that many of the rides were suspicious could sway the jury. Hopefuly the defence will pounce here for reasons I outlined in post #3 above.

Racecaller

I love that he was supposed to lose on 17 horses but won on 5 of them.
There's something familiar about someobdy picking 17 horses to lose and then 5 of them win and as a consequence that person loses money. It might be called gambling (on betfair). Hope the police don't do me for losing money on horses, I could be going away for a long time.

aidan24326

masterK wrote: »

I thought the use of the Balinger ridge ride was laughable, if an accomplished jockey like Fallon really wanted to throw a race there are less noticeable ways to do so

This is something that has never added up for me either. Whatever about Fallon's overall guilt/innocence I've always been amazed how they keep highlighting that race. We're supposed to believe that the best jockey of his generation, while trying to throw a race, rides the horse into a 10 length lead and then decides to put the brakes on? Wtf? If Fallon wanted to lose that race there are far less dramatic ways to do it. In the end he only lost by the shortest of short heads, the distance you win or lose by can obviously be controlled by the jockey up to a point, but not to that sort of accuracy.

To win on 5 out of 17 (or almost 1 in 3) mounts when supposedly trying to lose is some achievement, especially since over the last 5 years his strike rate is less than 1 in 5. So he almost doubled his strike rate when trying to lose. If that's the case he should try to lose all the time from now on

Another strange one. 5/17 is a 29% strike rate. While trying to lose?? Also his overall strike rate during that time was 20% which we all know is top class and would win the jockey's title almost every season I'd imagine. It doesn't make sense. If he had lost all 17 races and his strike rate in other races had dropped alarmingly low then it would look suspicious, but this is like suggesting that a football team has been throwing matches after they'd just won the league and cup double. Now maybe Fallon has 'hooked' horses in the past I would imagine there isn't a pro jockey alive who hasn't but the case they're putting against him now doesn't seem to make much sense from what I know of it.

knighted

anyone read the sunday world yesterday about the irish drug connection to who was involved with mr rodgers -i think they have to thread fairly carefully in there case against fallon due to a bigger picture

i feel sorry for the bloke as to be the best and at the top of your sport sometimes you do lose your marbles -success is actually harder to handle mentally than failure -remember when he was accused of riding the trainers wife? he said nothing and didnt give the real culprit up even amidst immense pressure from the media ,he stayed silent and stoney faced and was cleared and recieved compo ,that seems to be his style ,brazen it out .impossible to second guess him and maybe he has a rabbit up his sleeve for this particular chapter in his life ,who knows -i wouldnt like to think he was involved but if he is guilty i can kinda understand why he would do it ,i honestly think he is a troubled individual,maybe another trip to the nuns in clare is what he needs .

anyway ,while not a fan of the flat ,i have always enjoyed watching him over the years and hope i can continue to in the years to come ,guilty or innocent the man has been a genius and a true champion -but what happens when people are idolised and reach the top of any sport?-human nature -you try to destroy them and drag them back down -make them and break them -

good luck

Bluetonic

knighted wrote: »

anyone read the sunday world yesterday

You've gone down in my estimation :eek:

aidan24326

knighted wrote: »

-i wouldnt like to think he was involved but if he is guilty i can kinda understand why he would do it ,i honestly think he is a troubled individual,maybe another trip to the nuns in clare is what he needs

I don't think there would be much excuse for someone in Fallon's position, unless he really was in some sort of trouble or under duresse from outside influences. Who knows. You could understand a young struggling jockey being tempted by a backhander or two but Fallon would have to be pretty well off at this stage, if he's not then he hasn't been managing his finances very well, to put it kindly. That or plain greed.

knighted

Bluetonic wrote: »

You've gone down in my estimation :eek:

i know, there is no excuse ,it was open on that page as i was wadeing thru the gutter

knighted

aidan24326 wrote: »

I don't think there would be much excuse for someone in Fallon's position, unless he really was in some sort of trouble or under duresse from outside influences. Who knows. You could understand a young struggling jockey being tempted by a backhander or two but Fallon would have to be pretty well off at this stage, if he's not then he hasn't been managing his finances very well, to put it kindly. That or plain greed.

i think it was all mental ,like did your ever read stories about multi millionaires being caught shop lifting,they dont need to do it but want to or feel they can -if he guilty they should lock him up