Trade Union versus Aer Lingus

ian_m

Does anyone agree that Trade Union disputes will lead to the demise of Aer Lingus?

fitzyshea

Yes and Im a union person. Not for aerlingus though!:rolleyes:

Muggy Dev

On the contrary.The evidence is that the company has finally grown some balls and is prepared to draw a line in the sand as far as the implementation of their cost cutting plan and the introduction of the new Belfast route are concerned.

The workforce,encouraged (misled?)by their unions,Siptu and Impact seem to believe they are still working for a semi-state. From the moment the company became a plc this showdown or flashpoint was and is inevitable.I would not be suprised to see all planes grounded by this time tomorrow.

I predict that following many weeks to come of disruption to services, EI will finally go with O´Leary´s original proposal and announce 1000 compulsory redundacies across all levels.

The company will regain the right to manage and will move forward swiftly from there.

Davidth88

There will only be one winner thats for sure.

If the Unions win ( and I don't think they will ) EI will stay a small airline , and eventually get swallowed by a bigger fish and then the whole thing will start again.

If EI win, they may well grow and prosper , but the poor passenger will end up with FR mk2 ... ie treat the customer with utter contempt.

I hope the whole thing can be resolved peacefully thats for sure .

El Stuntman

Davidth88 wrote:

If EI win, they may well grow and prosper , but the poor passenger will end up with FR mk2 ... ie treat the customer with utter contempt..

as far as I can see, that's already happening...

stevedublin

Muggy Dev wrote:

On the contrary.The evidence is that the company has finally grown some balls and is prepared to draw a line in the sand as far as the implementation of their cost cutting plan and the introduction of the new Belfast route are concerned.

The workforce,encouraged (misled?)by their unions,Siptu and Impact seem to believe they are still working for a semi-state. From the moment the company became a plc this showdown or flashpoint was and is inevitable.I would not be suprised to see all planes grounded by this time tomorrow.

I predict that following many weeks to come of disruption to services, EI will finally go with O´Leary´s original proposal and announce 1000 compulsory redundacies across all levels.

The company will regain the right to manage and will move forward swiftly from there.

:rolleyes:

Muggy Dev

:rolleyes:

Looks even better in italics! Thanks Stevie.

Voipjunkie

Management seem intent on creating a standoff/dispute

It appears to me that they are desperate to prove that they are tough that they want an fight to prove it show that MOL is not the only one that can treat its workforce with contempt.

IMO all they are doing is damaging the airline no wonder there ticket sales are so bad in belfast with management pushing for a dispute week after week nobody can be sure that Aer Lingus will be flying.

Muggy Dev

RTE reporting that all pilots face suspension from next tuesday unless they co-operate with the intro of the Belfast route.While I think the company was within its rights to suspend "Training Pilots" for non co-operation(even the LRC acknowleges that Belfast is a diferent juristriction and therefore local pay and conditions should prevail) this latest move smacks of a rush of blood to the head.This may well turn out to be a major tactical blunder on the company´s part.

Chris_533976

Yeah cos come Tuesday a large part of Aer L will be grounded.

Fun times ahead folks

sambora

Im flying out on Monday morning with Aer Lingus...... Is it only from Tuesday morning that the disruptions will start??

Muggy Dev

Yeah....it´s a bummer all right.I´m booked to get back to Ireland from Lanza next thursday(18th) for a couple of days.Sure does´nt look like it now.:(

dogmatix

I haven't flown with Aer Lingus in three years, after the last dispute forced me to cancel weekend away in Edinburgh. It seems to me that Aer Lingus are always either on strike, on strike call, are about to call for strikes. I accept that this might just be an impression but there you go. Nowadays if i'm flying to britain, I go BMI to Heathrow or BA to Gatwick. When's the last time BMI had industrial troubles?

And BTW in case anyone thinks i'm having a go at the Unions - i'm not - I blame the Aer Lingus management in most of the disputes over the last few years, espcially this one.

Aquitaine

Yeah im flying back in to Dublin monday afternoon from uk. leaving at 4..reckon i will be ok?

Muggy Dev

dogmatix wrote: »

I blame the Aer Lingus management in most of the disputes over the last few years, espcially this one.

Spot on! Weak management is invariably the root cause for most IR probs and god knows EI management have historically been as tepid as tea.But the company are quite rightly,in my opinion,in saying enough is enough.There will be pain but after that I believe the future is bright for the company,it´s staff and it´s shareholders.

Latest news is that the LRC is about to issue an invitation to all parties for talks.It behoves the unions to respond in a positive manner.If not,the company will shut the airline until they do.I think everyone gets the picture by this stage.This is and has always been about the right of a company to manage.

Voipjunkie

dogmatix wrote: »

I haven't flown with Aer Lingus in three years, after the last dispute forced me to cancel weekend away in Edinburgh. It seems to me that Aer Lingus are always either on strike, on strike call, are about to call for strikes. I accept that this might just be an impression but there you go. Nowadays if i'm flying to britain, I go BMI to Heathrow or BA to Gatwick. When's the last time BMI had industrial troubles?

And BTW in case anyone thinks i'm having a go at the Unions - i'm not - I blame the Aer Lingus management in most of the disputes over the last few years, espcially this one.

That is my point exactly the impression even if none or very few days have been lost is one of perpetual threat of disruption and it appears that it is management that are instigating this in some effort to break the backs of the unions.
Anyone planning a trip would have to be mad to even contemplate trusting Aer lingus to get them there.


The problem is IMo that the Government have decided that therre is no way that they will interfere in AL and the biggest shareholder Ryanair is only too happy to see its rival tear its self apart in a battle with a trade union. So Mannion is safe he can do as he pleases and apparently he is intent on shutting the airline.

tabatha

im flying aerlingus at the end of the month to new york......will transatlantic be affected also?

grahamo

I think Management seem intent on creating a standoff/dispute. It seems to me though they've picked a fight with the wrong people as they can't win against the pilots, without whom they can't function. As for the demise of aer lingus, that won't happen until O'leary gets his greedy hands on it.

ixoy

The bully-boy tactics being employed on both sides are a shame: I prefer flying with Aer Lingus over Ryanair (it's a nicer experience) but after the stress caused a couple of months worrying about whether the strike would affect me or not, and now the threat of further strikes, I'm not willing to risk my precious time off or my money on them. And I bet I'm not alone.