Tribal Warfare Results

mark.leonard

Here are the results from last night, a very big thanks for everyone who travelled for the event, the fighters and the fans for making Tribal Warfare a great show!


Mark "Manslaughter" O'Toole vs. John Donnolly: John by TKO Round 1
Tom Kelly vs. Gearoid McNichol: Gearoid by Submission Round 1
Tom Haddock vs Richard 'Teabreak' Taylor: Tom Submission Round 2
John Murphy vs. Peter Wilson: Peter Submission Rd2
Vinny Connolly vs Jason Muldoon: Vinny Submission Rd1
Tommy McCafferty vs Shane Thomas: Tommy Submission Rd1
Denis Dalton vs Marius: Marius TKO Rd 1
Dave King vs Dave Kelly: Dave Kelly TKO Rd1
Andreas Lovbrand vs. Neill Seery: Andreas Decision
Kevin Moran vs Stephen King: Kevin Submission Rd1
Ronan McKay vs Kevin Croke: Kevin Submission Rd 1
Adam Slawinski vs Gunnar Nelson: Gunnar Ref Stoppage
Paul Lambert vs Keith Norton: Draw
Michael McSweeney vs Matt Taylor: Matt Submission Rd1

dlofnep

Cool - congrats on the event and to everyone who competed.

Colm_OReilly

Big thanks to Mark and everyone who ran the event from Kevin and myself. Thanks to Davie and Progressive for providing a replacement opponent after Roper got injured and thanks Ronan for a great fight and the beers after!

Also, I have to say the crowd was great. Very knowledgeable and respectful, pleasure to be part of it.

Colm

RedRaven

Ronan McKay vs Kevin Croke: Kevin Submission Rd 1

Watch out Roper eh??;)

paddyc

what happened tim murphys fight ???


wayne if kev and roper fight i am sure you be up for a bet... will you not:)


congrats to all the lads for taking part


paddy

RedRaven

paddyc wrote:

what happened tim murphys fight ???


wayne if kev and roper fight i am sure you be up for a bet... will you not:)


congrats to all the lads for taking part


paddy

Kool no probs...although I doubt it will be this year mate..Kev is off to the states for a year and maybe on to Siam to train.

Nothingcompares

great, it's about time UFR brought their show to the states !

muckwarrior

Well done lads, brilliant night!

Roper

I've been talking to Kev and we've agreed in principal to do it when he returns from his adventures! Fair play to him, I think our fight would have had a different result Red Raven but it would have been a good one. I'll just have to make Paddy his money some other time though!

Well done all. I had a feeling about John Donnelly this time out. He works hard and hits hard and has great skills. A lot of people were probably surprised by that result but not anyone who's trained with John. Well done all and I promise I'll make it to Galway for the next UFR there. I got as far as Meath before I missed the smog and had to turn back with the shakes....

The Bored One

Does anyone know the logic or reason for the draw-decison in the Paul Lambert - Keith Norton fight?

mark.leonard

The Bored One wrote:

Does anyone know the logic or reason for the draw-decison in the Paul Lambert - Keith Norton fight?

The judges scored the fight a draw.


Pictures are up from the event on the website www.TribalWarfare.ie

The Bored One

mark.leonard wrote:

The judges scored the fight a draw.


Pictures are up from the event on the website www.TribalWarfare.ie

Heh I'd gathered that part What I meant was does anyone know how the judges scored it, what was their criteria for it etc?

mark.leonard

The Bored One wrote:

Heh I'd gathered that part What I meant was does anyone know how the judges scored it, what was their criteria for it etc?

UFR Judging is scored the same as the UFC using a 10 point must, points are awarded for effective striking, grappling, takedowns, aggression and ring control.

The Bored One

Hmmm. In my own opinion, I though that Keith Norton maintained more control over that fight than Paul. Both fighters put in a tremendous display, and I was very impressed with both of them. I just felt that more often than not, Keith was the one who achieved a more dominant position, and placed his opponent on the defensive. And it was some very well performed defense.
But I was under the impression that more points were awarded for the fighter who achieved control, so why were they marked equally?
Just my opinion and Im curious about it, don't mean to in anyway take away from Pauls effort.

StrateBlastJim

The Bored One wrote:

Hmmm. In my own opinion, I though that Keith Norton maintained more control over that fight than Paul. Both fighters put in a tremendous display, and I was very impressed with both of them. I just felt that more often than not, Keith was the one who achieved a more dominant position, and placed his opponent on the defensive. And it was some very well performed defense.
But I was under the impression that more points were awarded for the fighter who achieved control, so why were they marked equally?
Just my opinion and Im curious about it, don't mean to in anyway take away from Pauls effort.

The judges can only call it how they see it, personally i thought keith did enough for the dicision also however as mentioned the judges obviously didnt, i can understand that, especially as mark mentioned its not just positions achieved its "effective striking, grappling, takedowns, aggression and ring control" the important word being effective. personally i would have given it 10-10 10-9 to keith however i can easily see how it could be scored 9-10 10-9 hence the result and thats why there are 3 of them.

Finally the judges are well respected fighters and coaches themselves, and as we know judging like refing is a thankless job.

The Bored One

StrateBlastJim wrote:

The judges can only call it how they see it, personally i thought keith did enough for the dicision also however as mentioned the judges obviously didnt, i can understand that, especially as mark mentioned its not just positions achieved its "effective striking, grappling, takedowns, aggression and ring control" the important word being effective. personally i would have given it 10-10 10-9 to keith however i can easily see how it could be scored 9-10 10-9 hence the result and thats why there are 3 of them.

Finally the judges are well respected fighters and coaches themselves, and as we know judging like refing is a thankless job.

Oh Im not criticising the judges, I know they have one of the toughest jobs in the sport. Im just looking to understand the decision a bit better. So the reason for the decison is likely that while Keith did achieve the superior position, Paul defended well enough to prevent Keith making full use of it?

dunkamania

I thought judges didnt have the option of giving a 10-10,that the person judged to have won the round got 10 and the other guy gets up to 9?

muckwarrior

I thought that Keith won the second round fairly clearly, but the first definitely was much closer and i could see how it could go either way.

RedRaven

Roper wrote:

I've been talking to Kev and we've agreed in principal to do it when he returns from his adventures! Fair play to him, I think our fight would have had a different result Red Raven but it would have been a good one. I'll just have to make Paddy his money some other time though!

Well done all. I had a feeling about John Donnelly this time out. He works hard and hits hard and has great skills. A lot of people were probably surprised by that result but not anyone who's trained with John. Well done all and I promise I'll make it to Galway for the next UFR there. I got as far as Meath before I missed the smog and had to turn back with the shakes....

Jobs a goodin mate, no doubt it will be a great fight between 2 decent skins!!:)

mark.leonard

Just to clarify - It is a 10 point must so one fighter must score 9 points or less. Judging really is a horrible job!

Barry.Commins

mark.leonard wrote:

Just to clarify - It is a 10 point must so one fighter must score 9 points or less. Judging really is a horrible job!

As far as I know, a 10-10 round is possible in a 10-point must system.

from http://www.memphisboxing.com/scoring.html :

"if a judge scores a round even, both boxers shall receive
ten points"

mark.leonard

Fair enough I was working off what Aidan Marren takes as the UFR scoring system, I stand corrected.

waterford mma

how did kevin moran win? from the three pics it looks like a rolling kneebar

Barry.Commins

waterford mma wrote:

how did kevin moran win? from the three pics it looks like a rolling kneebar

It was indeed a picture-perfect rolling knee-bar. I'm still shocked. I've rolled with Kevin loads of times and I've never seen him attempt that. I guess he just kept it in the locker for such an occasion.

PADRAIC.M

Great night for irish mma, thought the lovbrand vs seery was one of the fights of the night, some amazing slams, both fighters were in it till the end

mccaffertyt

Had to be one of the best shows i've been at, some cracking fights and an unbelieveable atmosphere and of course the result went the right way.

RealJohn

Barry.Commins wrote:

As far as I know, a 10-10 round is possible in a 10-point must system.

from http://www.memphisboxing.com/scoring.html :

"if a judge scores a round even, both boxers shall receive
ten points"

Yep, in boxing 10-10 is definitely allowed. I don't remember ever seeing a 10-10 in mma though. Maybe the 10 point must system is utilised slightly differently in mma.

Personally, I scored it the same as Jim: 10-10 in the first, 10-9 to Keith in the second. I however was not judging so at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't really count.

Colm_OReilly

Yeah Lovbrand-Seary was a cracking fight. I think Andreas won it, but it was well close. I think Andreas should bulk up a bit and cut down to his fighting weight, Seary looked a lot bigger without cutting.

The 2nd round slam was tasty as hell, saw the set up but still, sexy.

PADRAIC.M

yeah Andreas is a lean 66 kg but cut to 60 for the fight, agree about the slams, tasty indeed.

Padraic,
Drilling tasty slams for saturday..
www.threecastlesmma.com

Tim_Murphy

what happened tim murphys fight ???

The fight was pulled at the last minute, Micky cracked a rib apparently. We couldn’t find a replacement so I was left without a fight.

As for the Lambert Vs Norten fight… I was in Paul’s corner so I’m obviously far from neutral but as per the judging scoring rules as they are, a draw was the correct result. Keith did well in the start of the first round, but didn’t do much damage, Paul finished the round very strong so I would have to give the round to him. Keith obviously won the second so that would leave it as a draw. Now people might argue that a 10-9 scoring system for each round of a two round fight isn’t a great way to score it, and I’d agree, but that’s a different debate.

Great show over all, well done to the fighters.

Garry Bergin

Is there a video/ DVD of the event for sale ??

mark.leonard

There will be, its in post production at the minute, details as they become available.
Some pics up on www.tribalwarfare.ie to keep you going