Blinds Posting

Clareman

Hi All,

This has been annoying me for a while now. Was playing at a final table and there were 6 players left, in 1 hand 3 players were knocked out (I wasn't involved in the hand), the guy to my right posted a small blind, so I automatically assumed that I was big blind so I posted the big blind. The player to my right went all in (put all his chips in 1 stack), I looked down at my cards (hadn't looked at this stage) and folded. I then proceded to put out the small blind, I was then told that I was the big blind, I pointed out that I was big blind the hand before, turned out that the player to my right was BB on his own so I called blind.

My question was, I hadn't looked at my hand, I had the blinds out before the cards were even dealt, I am almost 100% positive that the player to my right only had the small blind out, my question is, should the dealer have pointed out to me that I wasn't a blind?

Mellor

Its not the dealers fault if you didn't notice
Its up to the players to keep track of the blinds, the dealer often lets players know but if he forgets then its up to you.

Brando_ie

On a similar note... was at a game where the BB and UTG got the boot in one hand and next hand all hell broke out trying to work out what the blind situation was. Self deal so no real clue.

We went with no blinds for an orbit, then one BB with some poor bugger getting lumped with three deals!!... also not great for the lad dealt QQ early on the no blinds orbit who's limp was enough to see of everyone!!....lol

What is the correct ruling or did we happen across it using the monkey and typewriter method?

Ace2007

Brando_ie wrote:

On a similar note... was at a game where the BB and UTG got the boot in one hand and next hand all hell broke out trying to work out what the blind situation was. Self deal so no real clue.

We went with no blinds for an orbit, then one BB with some poor bugger getting lumped with three deals!!... also not great for the lad dealt QQ early on the no blinds orbit who's limp was enough to see of everyone!!....lol

What is the correct ruling or did we happen across it using the monkey and typewriter method?

Ok i think this is what happens(90% sure), button moves ot the SB(which is normal), UTG+1 in BB on his own. then then next hand, the button stays with SB and UTG+1 is in the SB and UTG+2 is in the BB...

hope this makes sense...

Mellor

thats right, you can be 100% sure in future

theres a few rules to remember,
there is always a BB, not always a SB
the BB always moves, and it moves to the next player in a clockwise fashion, if the player that was due the BB is knocked out then it moves to the next and so on.
if there is a SB, it is always the player to the BBs right
the button doesn't have to move, it can even go backwards (in a relative sense)

Brando_ie

Cheers for those replies.

RoundTower

Mellor wrote:

thats right, you can be 100% sure in future

theres a few rules to remember,
there is always a BB, not always a SB
the BB always moves, and it moves to the next player in a clockwise fashion, if the player that was due the BB is knocked out then it moves to the next and so on.
if there is a SB, it is always the player to the BBs right
the button doesn't have to move, it can even go backwards (in a relative sense)

this is right up until the last sentence. The button can't go backwards, ie anticlockwise. Also, if the player on the right of the button has just paid his SB, he does not pay it again but gets the button.

These are what are called the "dead button" rules and are used for almost all tournaments and some cash games. There are also other possible rules: the spirit of all the rules is that everyone should pay the big blind, small blind, and be the button once per round if possible.

Mellor

I wasn't suggesting that the phyical button moves anti-clockwise around the table. I made sure to include "in a relative sense".
A player can be the button one hand, in the CO the nest, and the next hand (due to certain players going out) he is the last player to act on every round. From a gameplay and strategy point of view he is a relative button, even though strictly speaking the button is dead and in front of an empty seat. Actual position of the physical button is irrelevant, the player above has all the advantages of being in the button.

Clareman

thanks all