Head to head history with Argentina

martu

24/08/1952 Argentina 3 3 Ireland Buenos Aires
31/08/1952 Argentina 0 6 Ireland Buenos Aires
13/09/1970 Argentina 8 3 Ireland Buenos Aires
20/09/1970 Argentina 6 3 Ireland Buenos Aires
10/11/1973 Ireland 21 8 Argentina Dublin
27/10/1990 Ireland 20 18 Argentina Dublin
28/08/1999 Ireland 32 24 Argentina Dublin
20/10/1999 Argentina 28 24 Ireland Lens
03/06/2000 Argentina 34 23 Ireland Buenos Aires
23/11/2002 Ireland 16 7 Argentina Buenos Aires
26/10/2003 Argentina 15 16 Ireland Adelaida
27/11/2004 Argentina 19 21 Ireland Dublin
26/05/2007 Argentina 22 20 Ireland Santa Fe
02/06/2007 Argentina 16 0 Ireland Buenos Aires

1 game drawn / 6 won by ARG / 7 won by IRE
Total points scored: 208 both sides
Are we sure they are an emerging team?

watching these figures, why think Ireland will score 40 or 50 points next sunday?

MooseJam

28/08/1999 Ireland 32 24 Argentina Dublin

they don't need to score 40 or 50, just get 4 tries and win by 7, it's very unlikely but you never know

Snickers Man

We may need to beat them by 50 points, but only if France beat Georgia but fail to get a bonus point.

Should that happen, then an Irish win with a bonus point while denying Argentina a bonus point will not be enough. It would leave all three top teams on 14pts with each having beaten one of the others.

In that case, points difference would come into play. Argentina's is plus 95, ours is -3. Therefore we would have to beat them by a neat 50 to overtake them.

Allez les Bleus!!!

Erin Go Brath

France will get the bonus. Georgia have just played a midweek game which won't help them come the weekend.

Ireland are going to need a 'Munster Special' to get out of this group. Chances are very slim, but lets be positive and cling on to the belief that it can happen. If we put in a perormance like the one against England in Croker again it could happen.

Marshy

Erin Go Brath wrote:

If we put in a perormance like the one against England in Croker again it could happen.

But just thinking about it there, not meaning to be the bearer of bad news here, going back to that great win over England there are a few things that make it look even less possible against the argies.

Firstly Argentina are comfortably a better side than the current England team. And despite the brilliant performance in Croker we only just scraped 4 tries against them(Boss intercepted towards the end). Also, of course, we won't be playing with 70 odd thousand cheering for us. There'll be a few though.

Erin Go Brath

Marshy wrote:

But just thinking about it there, not meaning to be the bearer of bad news here, going back to that great win over England there are a few things that make it look even less possible against the argies.

Firstly Argentina are comfortably a better side than the current England team. And despite the brilliant performance in Croker we only just scraped 4 tries against them(Boss intercepted towards the end). Also, of course, we won't be playing with 70 odd thousand cheering for us. There'll be a few though.

Agreed. It's a long shot, and nothing we've done lately suggests we have the remotest chance. I'm just hoping for a freak result to happen really. Everything will have to go in our favour on the day. Lineout winning all our own throws and seriously disrupting theirs. Scrum to hold up. Forwards to muscle their way through the yards. Drico and Darcy to punch giant holes in the centre etc etc. My little planet is much better than the real world.

marco_polo

Erin Go Brath wrote:

Agreed. It's a long shot, and nothing we've done lately suggests we have the remotest chance. I'm just hoping for a freak result to happen really. Everything will have to go in our favour on the day. Lineout winning all our own throws and seriously disrupting theirs. Scrum to hold up. Forwards to muscle their way through the yards. Drico and Darcy to punch giant holes in the centre etc etc. My little planet is much better than the real world.

This new place sound wonderful. I think I too will leave this "Planet Earth" behind and come and visit. At least until Monday anyway.

aidan24326

France should probably get the bonus point win over Georgia, going all out to win the group. It'll be a surprise if they don't as France are usually much better than us (or the Argies) at hammering minnows.

But Ireland running in 4 tries in a comprehensive* win over Argentina? You're having a laugh lads.

*No chance of it being an open high scoring game like 35-26 or some such, given that the Argies are gonna play a tight game akin to a soccer team sitting back and defending, quite happy with a dogged stalemate. Ireland will need to go to town on them, and after recent performances you're looking for a miracle really.

gzoladz

By the way, does anybody know if the irish jersey will be on sale next Monday?

SpAcEd OuT

Marshy wrote:

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Firstly Argentina are comfortably a better side than the current England team. And despite the brilliant performance in Croker we only just scraped 4 tries against them(Boss intercepted towards the end). Also, of course, we won't be playing with 70 odd thousand cheering for us. There'll be a few though.

Really put things in perspective for even the most optimistic of fans

Colm_OReilly

Can someone save me the math and tell me how Argentina will progress when the win their group?

Who will they meet in the quarter/semi final?

Thanks,
Colm

Imhof Tank

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Can someone save me the math and tell me how Argentina will progress when the win their group?

Who will they meet in the quarter/semi final?

Thanks,
Colm

Scotland or Itlay in the Quarter and most probably SA in the semi.

This Argentinian team is being seriously underrated - I hear the Scots are actually bullish about their chances of going to the SF - all on the basis of their route supposedly opening up for them with France probably failing to top Group D.

aidan24326

Imhof Tank wrote:

Scotland or Itlay in the Quarter and most probably SA in the semi.

This Argentinian team is being seriously underrated - I hear the Scots are actually bullish about their chances of going to the SF - all on the basis of their route supposedly opening up for them with France probably failing to top Group D.

The Scots would want to pay attention. Argentina are indeed a serious outfit and will fancy themselves to go a long way should they beat us on Sunday. They would probably beat Scotland (it should be the Scots) and would then be looking at a semi against SA themselves.

It definitely opens up for the Argies if they beat Ireland. Though it will be interesting to see how they handle the new pressure that comes with expectation and being favourites, as they would be against the Scots. It's not a situation they'd be used to.

Only slim chance for Ireland is that Argentina might actually have one eye on bigger things already, and could be vulnerable if we get a good start. I'm tiptoeing into dreamland now aswell though.

RugBeir

Paddy Power have us at 6-1 to go out of world cup at Quarter-final stage!

Effectively means we are at 6-1 to score 4 tries V Argentina and go on to meet NZ in Q/F.

Given our bad show to date, not very attractive odds, I would think. There must be alot riding on Ireland to get to Q/F and PP is being extra cautious.
Obviously going to make a wad load if Ireland get knocked out on Sunday!

Better odds of 12/1 on Ireland, England, Scotland & Wales to reach Q/F. Scotland is a risk. But if Ireland beat the Argies and Scots lose, at least we have the pleasure of a great victory.

marco_polo

RugBeir wrote:

Paddy Power have us at 6-1 to go out of world cup at Quarter-final stage!

Effectively means we are at 6-1 to score 4 tries V Argentina and go on to meet NZ in Q/F.

Given our bad show to date, not very attractive odds, I would think. There must be alot riding on Ireland to get to Q/F and PP is being extra cautious.
Obviously going to make a wad load if Ireland get knocked out on Sunday!

Better odds of 12/1 on Ireland, England, Scotland & Wales to reach Q/F. Scotland is a risk. But if Ireland beat the Argies and Scots lose, at least we have the pleasure of a great victory.

I wouldn't touch the first one at anything less than 10-1. I thought it was available at around 8-1 earlier in theb week, obviously alot of people have been backing Ireland to do it on Sunday.

LuckyLloyd

marco_polo wrote:

I wouldn't touch the first one at anything less than 10-1

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I'm afraid both bets are suckers.

Start looking at prices for stuff like Wales beating Fiji; Argentina to finish 3rd or better; Tonga to get within 7 points of England - etc.