Tricky Tourney Spot

58o

Deep in the stars 11R 55K GTD,the bubble is approaching. I have built my stack up from 25 to 50 without a showdown, mainly through positional raises and taking it down on the flop. The villain seems average, he has been opening a lot of pots in position recently. The table has not seen me 3 bet pre flop at all yet.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t6875)
MP3 (t42363)
CO (t13855)
Button (t9440)
Hero (t54050)
BB (t36894)
UTG (t19589)
UTG+1 (t42457)
MP1 (t44266)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 6.
4 folds, MP3 raises to t3600, 2 folds, Hero raises to t8500, 1 fold, MP3 calls t4900.

Flop: (t17875) 8, J, 6(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t33738 (All-In),

Not happy with my pre flop bet size but my question is can anyone find a call here on the flop?Once he called preflop, i was ready to give up on the hand unless i hit a gin flop but that overbet seems very suspiscous? Obviously folding would be the simple, easy thing to do here.

insafehands

Your last line is correct imo. You've shown strength pre-flop and now you've got bottom pair with no draw. It is obvious, but surely with stacks and amount invested it's definitely a fold.

bops

he could easily have AK here, but it isnt worth it

...lead the flop for 7/8k maybe??

LuckyLloyd

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zuutroy

LuckyLloyd wrote:

But, to be honest, I'm not 3 - betting 76o from the small blind here like, ever.

I'm folding pf 100/100.

McWager

I think the type of player who makes that flop bet with AK (afraid to play flops) reraises with it 100% of the time pre - therefore I think you are very rarely seeing this.

I think you are mostly seeing a muppet hand that beats you - KJ,QJ or worse like middle pair and sometimes T9
overall your equity is pretty bad

I would never 3 bet here, and if you are gonna 3 bet you gotta follow through on the flop.

If you call this you are giving someone a very soft double through imo

Mr.Plough

LuckyLloyd wrote:

I would continuation bet when making this play 100% of the time.

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Moneymaker

Why did you not bet out? You've made a play, and you have to follow it through. I'd have bet 10,000-12,000. You've pretty much waved the white flag by checking. As played, its a fold.

LuckyLloyd

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zuutroy

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Moneymaker, you want to keep your continuation bet as small as possible here, as the more you make it; the less profitable bet - folding becomes.

Well the pot is ~20k already....I think anything less than 10k here telegraphs the fact that you didn't hit it hard.

LuckyLloyd

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zuutroy

LuckyLloyd wrote:

The pot is less than 18. Small difference, but it does make a difference.

Let's say you had actually flopped a set of sixes here and decided to lead in the hopes of inducing a shove. What would you bet?

I make the pot 18.8K.....I guess you're right, I probably go for weakness and bet about 8K if I flopped the set, but don't we want to look strong here to get him to lay it down?

phantom_lord

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Moneymaker, you want to keep your continuation bet as small as possible here, as the more you make it; the less profitable bet - folding becomes.

i would have thought betting 10-12k would be ok?

58o

OK results time. I'm a muppet.
Like i said once he called my 3bet i was done with the hand, had him on maybe 88+, AQ+,maybe some dodgy broadways. But the overbet shove set of the alarm bells big time. I tanked for ages but could not get AQ,AK or KQ out of my head.It just seemed like a ridiculous bet that I could not see him making with a jack.Also could not see him with an eight or better six in his hand,and he obv doesnt have set or 2 pair. (of course in hindsight it is also the type of ridiculous panic bet some players will make with an underpair like 10 10,99,77.or 55 here.
Anyway i made the "Hero" call, only to be shown down KJ. Brutal. ((i would have insta folded to any other sized bet,i'm not normally one for making hero calls for the guts of my stack with bottom pair)
Overall a mess of a hand. Not too unhappy with the preflop 3 bet (besides the fact it should have been bigger). It wasnt a bad spot, i have the chips to make the play, and he should have folded. (like i said it was the first preflop 3bet i'd made at the table) . Postflop is obv horrible.I called off 28BB with bottom pair,no draw. Not pretty. As someone said he prob would have shoved AK preflop,and that overbet shove is exactly the kind of thing idiots do in 3 bet pots with underpairs that beat bottom pair.Leading out would have let me get away also.

Oh well all part of the learning curve. One of these days i'm not going to donk off a comfortable chip stack deep in these events. Watch out!