Airsoft and Martial Arts

Hivemind187

Just as a matter of personal interest how many folks out there have a martial arts background or a currently practicing?

Airsoft simulates Military tactical combat scenarios and it interests me to know how many real life fighters there are out there?

Personally I trained in Taekwondo (ITF), Wado-Ryu (ASKO), oriental weapons and several other systems and I loved it. I find that Airsoft is a very interesting adjunct to combat sports/extreme sports.

davvowl

most martial arts are about hurting and/or defeating the opponent, or can be used to defend oneself

i dont think this has anything to do with airsoft, which is about having fun together, whoever wins the game.

sorry
oh and i made some judo when i was 8. went up to the orange&green belt and stopped, because the competition thing just ruined the fun.

kdouglas

practiced Taekwondo for a good few years, almost had a black belt too! stopped training when i was about 14/15, it runs in the family my father was and still is an instructor and both my brother and sister trained too

Hivemind187

davvowl wrote:

most martial arts are about hurting and/or defeating the opponent, or can be used to defend oneself

i dont think this has anything to do with airsoft, which is about having fun together, whoever wins the game.

sorry
oh and i made some judo when i was 8. went up to the orange&green belt and stopped, because the competition thing just ruined the fun.

A misconception there davvowl but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Fiach Dubh

I have some Tai Chi training. Not the exercise, the Chen style martial art. Currently I'm studying a bit of Russian Systema.

Hivemind187

Fiach Dubh wrote:

I have some Tai Chi training. Not the exercise, the Chen style martial art. Currently I'm studying a bit of Russian Systema.

... as in Sambo?

Actually, isnt Putin an expert in that?

davvowl

martial arts are meant to hurt and is a competitive sport, just the opposite of airsoft

what i meant with this is that a martial art discussion is a bit off-topic on an airsoft board - maybe its just me

Fiach Dubh

Hivemind187 wrote:

... as in Sambo?

Actually, isnt Putin an expert in that?

Yes he is. It's actually quite similar to Tai Chi. Redirecting your opponants attacks.

[--SC(+)PE--]

Did karate meself for years ,gave it up when id to study for me second leaving cert :rolleyes:. Its been a couple of years since but i might be taken up some form of martial art in college again.

Hivemind187

Fiach Dubh wrote:

Yes he is. It's actually quite similar to Tai Chi. Redirecting your opponants attacks.

I didnt realise that it was being taught here. Shows how out of touch I am.

Boston

Waits for lemmings reply.

Anyway, I did abit of judo four years ago, liked it, and may take it up again in the near future.

Fiach Dubh

Hivemind187 wrote:

I didnt realise that it was being taught here. Shows how out of touch I am.

It isn't unfortunatly I'm using a DVD to learn some of it. There's a number of schools in the U.S. and a lot in Canada but nothing here as far as I know. Maybe in the future though.

Hivemind187

Fiach Dubh wrote:

It isn't unfortunatly I'm using a DVD to learn some of it. There's a number of schools in the U.S. and a lot in Canada but nothing here as far as I know. Maybe in the future though.

Hmmm, try Krav Maga, its a military system so it should have PT application in Airsoft.

Fiach Dubh

Cheers, I'll check it out.

Cuddlesworth

Brazillian ju-jitsu and some mu-thai so I didn't get murdered standing up for 2+1/2 years. Good fun but any throws or strikes on un-even surfaces with guns on straps could do way too much damage to ligiments and bones. I can't see the two of them going together too well.

Boru.

I've studied Shotokan Karate for over 20yrs as well as several other styles inculding Aikido, Judo, Jujitsu, BJJ, Wado Ryu, Kenjutsu, Kendo, Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, Krav Maga etc. I'm currently an instructor of Reality Based Combat and actually have been using Airsofts for over 2 yrs to TEACH martial arts.

Now that it's legal in Ireland I'm actually writing up an article on the use of Airsoft in Martial Arts for Irish Fighter Magazine where I have a regular column.

I've actually talked to Paul about it a few times and will be talking a few of my lads along with a couple of Gardai Lads down to HRTA / the new site, once it's built for some hands on simulation based stuff.

I know it's not strictly the point of the thread, but as an Instructor I train my students through realisitc scenario training against real world threats, thus using airsofts to simulate an armed robbery, kidnapping, assinations, mugging's, car jackings, violent sexual assault etc. Using airsoft you can quickly and accurrately give someone an an excellent visual representation of a real word situation (while still maintaining hte saftey of your students).

There are also added benefits of actual physcial hitting someone with a BB too, eg Fire avoidance drills, VIP protection and bodyguarding drills, school shooting and sniper scenario's, gun disarms etc.

Oh and just a word on safety, I am also a fully qualified firearms instrutor and all classes involving airsofts comply with the highest saftey standards including proper eyewear, and all my students are trained in the proper use of firearms.

Hivemind187

Boru. wrote:

I've studied Shotokan Karate for over 20yrs as well as several other styles inculding Aikido, Judo, Jujitsu, BJJ, Wado Ryu, Kenjutsu, Kendo, Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, Krav Maga etc. I'm currently an instructor of Reality Based Combat and actually have been using Airsofts for over 2 yrs to TEACH martial arts.

Now that it's legal in Ireland I'm actually writing up an article on the use of Airsoft in Martial Arts for Irish Fighter Magazine where I have a regular column.

I've actually talked to Paul about it a few times and will be talking a few of my lads along with a couple of Gardai Lads down to HRTA / the new site, once it's built for some hands on simulation based stuff.

I know it's not strictly the point of the thread, but as an Instructor I train my students through realisitc scenario training against real world threats, thus using airsofts to simulate an armed robbery, kidnapping, assinations, mugging's, car jackings, violent sexual assault etc. Using airsoft you can quickly and accurrately give someone an an excellent visual representation of a real word situation (while still maintaining hte saftey of your students).

There are also added benefits of actual physcial hitting someone with a BB too, eg Fire avoidance drills, VIP protection and bodyguarding drills, school shooting and sniper scenario's, gun disarms etc.

Oh and just a word on safety, I am also a fully qualified firearms instrutor and all classes involving airsofts comply with the highest saftey standards including proper eyewear, and all my students are trained in the proper use of firearms.

Excellent! Glad to hear that there is some cross-over stuff already going on.

Let me know which issue of IF the article is going into because I would be quite interested to read it.

By the way, where are you teaching?

Hivemind187

krazy_8s wrote:

Brazillian ju-jitsu and some mu-thai so I didn't get murdered standing up for 2+1/2 years. Good fun but any throws or strikes on un-even surfaces with guns on straps could do way too much damage to ligiments and bones. I can't see the two of them going together too well.

Lol, I'm not suggesting that anyone combine the two things on the Airsoft field mate, believe me, thats a safety concern I hope never to have to deal with.

Boru.

Should be in the next issue.

I teach mainly in Temple Bar, though I hold a few classes around about town, and a private informal class in Merrion Park on Sunday's. Might do a session up at HRTA if anyone's interested.

Hivemind187

Boru. wrote:

Should be in the next issue.

I teach mainly in Temple Bar, though I hold a few classes around about town, and a private informal class in Merrion Park on Sunday's. Might do a session up at HRTA if anyone's interested.

Give me a month to heal up and I'd love to learn any Krav Maga syllabus you happen to teach, not to mention close protection techniques and bodyguarding. Could add a whole new dimension of games to Airsoft.

Boru.

No worries dude, I'll go through the whole lot with you Hand to Hand all the way to counter-terrorism if your up for it.

As for the bodyguarding stuff - I was thinking a VIP scenario with a proper trained team would be a great scenario once we have the village built up in the new site.

Hivemind187

Boru. wrote:

No worries dude, I'll go through the whole lot with you Hand to Hand all the way to counter-terrorism if your up for it.

As for the bodyguarding stuff - I was thinking a VIP scenario with a proper trained team would be a great scenario once we have the village built up in the new site.

Aggressive room entries, hostage scenarios, VIP protections, rescue scenarios ... all make for fantastic Airsoft fun, especially when it all goes t1ts up and devolves into all-out war :P

Personally I am interested in Krav Maga, eskrima and close quarters weapon work.

nonex

paul is that exercise program something like the Seven Tiger Moves
(dsr) & (dvr), if it is, i think the swat & sf,hrt's are now useing it for there exercise trianing.

Boru.

It is indeed Paul, very similar stuff. It's what gives me the strength to squat Johnny for 12 reps and to have Spoon stand on my stomach while Im in a full neck bridge.

I'll go through some it with you next time I'm down if you want.

Cuddlesworth

Boru. wrote:

to have Spoon stand on my stomach while Im in a full neck bridge.

How heavy is Spoon?

Hivemind187

krazy_8s wrote:

How heavy is Spoon?

About 10lbs after a 5lb meal :P

Boru.

Hivemind187 wrote:

About 10lbs after a 5lb meal :P

True. The most I've done though was to support a 98kg bodybuilder, roughly the same size as Arnold Schwarzenegger. Before that I supported a 95kg bodybuilder from the fitness forum. Got a few photos of that actually, and of me lifting a guy about 13.5 stone with one arm overhead right out of his shoes. It's very funny. :rolleyes:

JonAnderton

Hey Boru. This sounds great. Really interested in the VIP Protection and counter terrorism stuff. Whats your background?. You ex army or Garda, etc?

Gatling

That would make for some great game situtions ,id be extremely intrested Boru but cant do much full contact stuff ,medical reasons always loved MMA,its perfect for real world self defence

nonex

what do you think boru,
hrta can now train the best teams in,
cqb entries, hostage rescue,
VIP protections, counter-terrorism,
hrta, where you can be guaranteed a fireFight evey weekend:D

Dave!

I could see the benefit of the Gardai, RDF, PDF, etc., using airsoft for training. That's something we should draw attention to.

Boru.

Well I'm more than up for it lads. The better everyone is at movement and co-ordination the more realistic, involving and fun the whole thing will be.

Jon I'm afraid my background is a closely guarded secret. Suffice to say I've had the privialge of training and teaching members of the SAS, FBI, CIA, German GSG9, SWAT etc.

Oh and Dave - I teach members of the Gardai and routinely use Airsoft weapons.

iceage

wow, with a rep like that, we definately HAVE to meet!!;)

Forgot to ask..which SWAT are you on about??

PPO

Jon I'm afraid my background is a closely guarded secret. Suffice to say I've had the privialge of training and teaching members of the SAS, FBI, CIA, German GSG9, SWAT etc.

Why is it so closly guarded?. Its on your Isometrics website.

http://www.isometric-training.com/about-me.html

Have you had any operational Military or Law Enforcement training or experience or is it purley martial arts and fitness?

JonAnderton

Maybe it's a cover... lol

Boston

PPO wrote:

Why is it so closly guarded?. Its on your Isometrics website.

http://www.isometric-training.com/about-me.html

Have you had any operational Military or Law Enforcement training or experience or is it purley martial arts and fitness?

Are you actually interested or is this voyeurism?

PPO

i am interested. but i want to learn about the tactics of bodyguards, HR and counter terrorist teams, not self defence, martial arts or fitness..i'm just curious to what qualifications he has for these and can he teach us that stuff. no offence meant

Boru.

Ice Age, I trained with LAPD and New York SWAT guys. All very sound.

PPO - big difference between my fitness instructor credentials and my cv regarding Reailty Based Work, besides which, that's a heavily abbreviated history - I've loads more qualifications in fact a partial list was posted on boards ages ago here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-2055021424.html, little of which tells you anything about my background relating to this matter, save my 6th degree Black Belt.

As regards who I've trained and when - I've signed confidentiality agreements that don't allow me to reveal that specific information, however I can tell you that I have trained and currently do train the Gardai, FBI, CIA, SWAT etc.

I was certified and qualified under a number of bodies including the PBA and I am currently a Level 2 Jim Wagner Instructor as well.

This is a brief list of what I'm qualified to teach in regards to what you want to learn - (this is a civilian specific list)

Situation & Terrain Assessment.
Ingress & Egress
Positioning
Self Triage / First Aid
Knife and Gunshot wounds
Victim Triage / First Aid
Evidence Identification and Preservation
Contact with Law Enforcement
Oral Statement Preparation (as victim or witness)
Incident Recollection
Written Statement (Report Writing Demonstration)
Conflict Cycle / Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome
Courtroom Survival
Multiple Attacker Survival
Firearms Survival incl
1. Firearm Within Reach Techniques (point blank range)
2. Firearm Outside of Reach Techniques
3. Long Distance Shooting (incl Snipers)

Armed Robbery Defense
1. Robbery of Person
2. Robbery of a Location

Execution and Assassination Survival

Body guarding and Protecting Others

Criminal Chemical Attack Defense
Location Advance
1. Route Selection
2. Location Survey
Social Locations Situational Awareness
Commerce Locations Situational Awareness
Impact Weapon Survival
Vehicle Security
Driving Security
Criminal Counter-Surveillance
1. Detecting a Foot Surveillance
2. Evading a Foot Surveillance
3. Detecting a Vehicle Surveillance
4. Evading a Vehicle Surveillance

Home Security
Information Security
Exterior Security
Interior Security

Grenade or IED (Improvised Explosive Device) Attacks
Grenade Body Cover
After Blast Device Identification

Terrorist Groups
1. Foreign
a. Nationalist
b. Religious Extremist
2. Domestic
a. Political Ideological
b. Racial
c. Special Issue
d. Anarchism
e. Berserkers (Lone Wolf)
f. Narco-terrorism

Potential Terrorist Targets incl
1. Energy Sector (power stations, power lines, fuel depots)
2. Chemical Industry and Hazardous Materials Sector
3. Defense Industrial Base Sector
4. Banking and Finance Sector
5. Transportation Sector (aircraft, trains, buses, ferries)
6. Postal and Shipping Sector (explosives and biological weapons)
7. Agriculture Sector (soil and/or crop contamination)
8. Food Sector (animal diseases)
9. Water Sector (reservoirs and aqueducts)
10. Public Health Sector (communicable diseases)
11. Government Sector (local, state and federal facilities)
12. Emergency Services Sector (first responders, hospitals)
13. Information Technology and Telecommunications Sector (Internet)
14. Commercial Facilities/Real Estate, Monument & Icons Sector
15. General Sector (population, sporting events, places of worship, schools)

Terrorist Tactics

1. Bombing (
2. Cyberterrorism

3. Armed attack
4. Assassination
5. Arson
6. Kidnapping
7. Hostage Taking
8. Hijacking
9. Skyjacking
10. Vandalism
11. WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction)

Transportation Seating Selection
Small Arms Attack Defense
Compressed Decision Time
Cover & Concealment
Target Values
Bead Fix
Room Entry Evasion (individual tactics, not team tactics)
Room Entry Evasion Techniques (unarmed)
Terrorist Personality Traits
Cell Structure
Terrorist Attack Cycle
Countersniper Tactics
Bead Fix (longgun, long range)
1. Static sight picture (3 second)
2. Moving (4 to 5 seconds)

Bombs
Letter & Package Bomb
Bomb Threat
Planted Bomb or IED (Improvised Explosive Device)
Car & Truck Bombs
Vehicle Bomb Search
Suicide Bombers
Public Transportation Survival
Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)
1. Chemical Weapon
2. Biological Weapon
3. Nuclear Weapon
Chemical Decontamination (DECON)
Kidnapping Survival
Types of Kidnapping
1. Criminal Kidnapping
2. Political Kidnapping
The Hostage Cycle
Surviving as a Hostage
Daily Terrorism Awareness
Target Hardening (workplace)

Building Security

Incident Recognition and Reaction

Shelter-in-Place

Preparing a Building for a Chemical attack
Building Damage
Travel Precautions & Securities
Hotel Security
Vehicle Safety
Arrests


None of that includes the Hand to Hand combat Trainng or specialist stuff like knifes, firearms, sexual assault school shootings etc.

and to get back on topic - I use Airsofts to teach all of that stuff by simulating actual kidnappings, terrorist attacks, assassinations etc.

Full make up and effects are also used, squibs, small explosives, faked body parts etc.

It's great fun.

iceage

Hey man, thats really impressive, where do you train/teach? is there a dojo i can visit? I've done a bit in the past and your approach, is to say, refreshing! I'm out in the sticks a bit, but am calling to dublin next week, hopefully to get some airsoft goodies..and would really like to say hello is there an address or website I could check out? Only fear I would have is everybody say at HRTA refusing a kill, ( you didn't shoot me!) dropping their AEG's to the ground and trying to take out the four corners!!:)

JonAnderton

Thats the civilian list!. wow.. I work in armed protection in the UK and we have a counter terrorism remit as well. Might find a lot of this handy. Do you have a non-civilian training schedule as well?

Hivemind187

Hivemind187 wrote:

Just as a matter of personal interest how many folks out there have a martial arts background or a currently practicing?

Airsoft simulates Military tactical combat scenarios and it interests me to know how many real life fighters there are out there?

Personally I trained in Taekwondo (ITF), Wado-Ryu (ASKO), oriental weapons and several other systems and I loved it. I find that Airsoft is a very interesting adjunct to combat sports/extreme sports.

EDIT: I want to make it bluntly, and crystal clear that I am not advocating people actively mixing the sports of martial arts and Airsoft. There appears to be some confusion about the intent of this thread and it is leading to headaches. On the Airsoft field it is a NON-CONTACT sport and must remain so. This thread is about private practices carried out by people with an interest in the area of martial arts and Airsoft together and does not reflect the feelings or interests of the Airsoft community at large.

(I am quoting here instead of editing the orginal post because the "edit" function seems to have disappeared).

Boru.

Hi Jon,

Yeah, that's just a partial list taken from the course notes headings of only two of the courses I teach. And yes I do have a non-civilian syllabus, however I'm not discussing that on an open forum. I also cater skill sets for specific training requirements.

Just to further clarify what Hivemind has said - the courses and training I have listed and discussed are an entirely seperate recreational activity that I have mentioned ONLY in regards to my martial arts practice and while I make positive use of the equipment used in Airsoft it is in NO WAY related to the sport of Airsoft advocated on this forum.

JonAnderton

Cheers Boru. I wouldn't expect you to discuss it here. would it be possible to email it to me?

Boru.

Hi Jon,

I've pm'd you in regards to this as it is unrelated to the the thread and wandering off topic.