More Line checks: WCOOP # 5 - I play bad.

LuckyLloyd

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ianmc38

1. Is standard
2. Yeah I'd just fold the turn but your line is ok.
3. I'd bet that flop but checking isnt bad sometimes
4. I dont like the flop call very much. That board has hit his range pretty hard. I liek the turn raise as you could easily have snapped off a cbet with AQ/JQs etc. Ul that he had QT.
5. Looks fine
6. Looks fine. Sometimes i fire the 3rd barrel.
7. Looks fine. wouldnt be worried about a diamond coming. Might check that turn occasioanlly but betting is best to get value from Ax and flush draws.
8. I think you played the hand well.
9. I would snapcall the river. definite call.
10. Nice hand
11. I dont think he's ever folding JJ there.
12. Standard

On a side note you really need to stop putting yourself down as a player. it really annoys me when I read some of the derogatory stuff you post about yourself. I always thought you were an excellent player who made good reads and good decisions on a regular basis as well as maintaining an excellent winrate in any cash game you ever played in. You also won one of the biggest donkaments in the country which was no fluke so cop the fcuk on and get a bit of self confidence into your game

Ian

Requiem4adream

Tired again, just after making 2nd in a nice FT (lol @ hijacking your threads with boasts....sorry m8 ) , so ill just go through a couple:

4. Personally i dont call the flop. I know that might seem ultra tight but calling there is a good way to haemorraghe chips in the long run. Raise or fold. Normally fold. As for the turn, i almost never carry thru a move like that once it's called - generally most players will not smooth call that raise and fold on the river, so you saved yourself chips not firing another bullet.

5. Comes under the unnecessary moves bracket i was talkin bout last night if you're gonna play 45o like that at least bet the flop. Or if you're gonna check the flop and bet the turn, i see no reason at all not to reraise on the river. If im committing to that type of move i raise the river.

6. Save yourself chips. let it go after he calls the flop.

7. I would always check the turn. Always. You've turned the perfect card, he checks to you, check behind, at least give him the chance to pay you off or to make a mistake.

At the end of the day donks & indeed good players are only human, they woulda been looking forward to that WCOOP game and giving it their best shot, instead of extracting value by betting there you're just giving nervous donks or astute good players reasons to fold. If you check the turn you give them a chance to bluff the river and/or pay off a small value bet.

9. Playing KK on an Ace high flop is always a "meh" situation, but you gotta lead that flop. lead, then check-call or check-fold the other streets based on what you think he has.

Requiem4adream

More important matters have arisen over night! Poor Jose!!! wins 2 leagues and everything else under the sun and still gets the boot! I dont like Abramovich's line on that hand :mad:

rogue trader

I'm told he has the bankroll for it though.

LuckyLloyd

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Mr.Plough

1 - fine

2 - i probably play it the same. if he makes a decent sized bet on the turn or river id fold

3 - looks good

4 - id fold the flop. i dont like trying making moves on this board especially 3 handed.

5 - meh, what can you do.

6 - ^

7 - id raise the flop personally, but betting the turn is good if he has any piece of the board as you'll be floating here alot.

8 - id sometimes just fold the flop oop. raising has you committed as you'll
have to follow through on the turn. i either fold the flop or take your line depending on how much folding eq i have against this guy.

9 - looks good. i fold the river sometimes. requiem checking the flop is
standard.

10 - i like this. i'd 4bet pf sometimes and take it there and then.

11 - yea good

12 - good. more proof ak doesnt win races

also i agree with what ian said. are you running very bad at the time of posting these? as the majority of them are really standard.

LuckyLloyd

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ianmc38

yeah agree about the kk hand.

ditpoker

ianmc38 wrote:

On a side note you really need to stop putting yourself down as a player. it really annoys me when I read some of the derogatory stuff you post about yourself. I always thought you were an excellent player who made good reads and good decisions on a regular basis as well as maintaining an excellent winrate in any cash game you ever played in. You also won one of the biggest donkaments in the country which was no fluke so cop the fcuk on and get a bit of self confidence into your game

Ian

what he said...

Requiem4adream

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Cheers for the reply.

I have to say that I generally disagree with the above though. When you bet an Ace high flop with KK are you not just turning showdown value into a bluff? And is not a bet that will generally get hands we are crushing to fold? Or remove any possibillity that someone trys to move us off it over numerous streets as he did above?

Also, I am in position in the hand - does anything change with the above logic if we are OOP?

i see where you're coming from alright.... but i'd prefer to play it as a bluff on the flop or with a reraise on the turn than check-call it down on that board. You put yourself in a position where you had to call 2 bets on a A58910 board with KK. I dont like it myself.

Problem with any of my opinions is ive never read any books or poker theory so sometimes i find it hard to express what im thinking in a presentable way or 1 that's logical What im trying to say is there are infinitely better spots to extract value in a good structured WCOOP tourny than with KK on an A58910, i'd be pretty happy to check-fold that or play it as if i had AK. either or.

I dont know your game and i dont like going by opr or any of that stuff but the impression i get from reading a selection of hand histories over the past couple of days ,is you get yourself into a lot of marginal situations. Too many for my liking anyway. Over the long run it's gonna be hard to beat the fields on stars with a high amount of marginal situations.

cardshark202

I think you played the KK hand well. As to what Ian said, I've told you this before too.

Van Dice

4 I really don't think this is a good board to make a move on, just fold the flop

5 I'm folding this pre unless blinds are total rocks, and you said this guy was itching to play back at you, so don't like. To standard donks your image is now 'bluffer' after last hand too.

6 I give up on the turn. You've already seen him check call and lead the river

8 I fold the flop multiway OOP. I don't think you have very much FE here

10 I fold pre to the 3-bet against this guy

Rest look fine to me
obv Theresalways one is right, I am very weak-tight lol

McWager

1 fine
2 i consider folding for 200 more - its pretty close tho
3 why not check call river - I dont think he calls your bet with a mid pair and I really dont think a weak ace is very plausible here - (raise in ep nine handed)
4 I would fold AT pre here, but thats just me. either way I dont think this is a good flop to try that on
5 I really hate this - take advantage of his tendancies with quality cards dont do it with 45
6 fold pre
7 perfect
8 fold flop
9 I would c bet, i think it is ok to turn KK into a bluff in a tournament by betting flop. because of smaller stack sizes you should be trying to end the hand on the flop with 1 pair hands to disguise the huge amounts of c bets you need to make with air once the blinds get big - so id play it as if I had AK, and always bet here
10 like it - note that if you hadnt shown some agression pre, many players will a make hero calls coz the board looks drawey
11 I raise a little more pre, i think firing again is ok as is giving up - there are many players who wont fold jj there tho
12 standard