Tourney hands from Fitz Sunday.

connie147

Sunday nite Fitz tourney, €40 buy in with 1x40 rebuy and 1x40 top-up.
Its gone past break time so we're in the F/O time.Approx 30 players left.Av stack is 9k. I've 10.5k, villian in BB has 12k. Blinds 100-200. I've being playing tag,raising a fair amount in position but not over-doing it.Ive been on this table for 2 blind levels,havent been involved too much. I doubled up just after the break when I had AA otb,two limpers for 200,I made it 1200 to go,1 caller in the sb(an aggressive player that I was happy to see calling) K high rainbow flop,check check, he checks a blank turn and I bet 1200, he calls and pushes a blank river,I call as my weak bet on turn was designed to get him to reraise me all-in,and mhig, he has AQ.

Now to the hand in question. I'm utg,villian is bb. From what Ive seen so far,this guy seems to be quite a decent player.He's playing tag and has shown the goods when called upon.I havent played with him before but Ive seen him around at a few tourneys.He probably views me as a tag too. So I (10.5k)raise to 700 utg with AhKh, he(12k) flat calls in the BB.(pot-1,500)

Flop---Jc 10c 6d
He checks,I check behind.

Turn--- 10s
He bets 800,I reraise to 2,800, he dwells up and eventually calls.(pot-7,300)

River---4c.
He checks,I push in the rest of my stack(7k).

Is this stupid, or standard,or what?

results later.

5starpool

Standard enough, but I think you get called by KJ or better here a lot despite the flush hitting. I probably just fold the turn though tbh.

Van Dice

Your line looks really bluffy imo, there are very few good hands that take this line

bops

bet the flop connie!!

the only thing you've got going for you is your image here

LuckyLloyd

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5starpool

bops wrote:

bet the flop connie!!

the only thing you've got going for you is your image here

But on that front, he has only been at the table 2 orbits.

bops

5starpool wrote:

But on that front, he has only been at the table 2 orbits.

2 levels i think?

5starpool

bops wrote:

2 levels i think?

With 20 min levels, probably not much in the difference, but I did think he said orbits, although it seems I may not have been quite correct on this one :rolleyes:

connie147

Not 2 orbits, 2.5 blind levels(about an hour).We had both been playing tight and I felt he wouldnt call me without the flush at least. I couldnt put him on the 10 the way it played and having got that far in the hand, the only way I could win it was the big bluff on the end(even though it was still only a pot size bet).
Ive just been wondering what my line would have represented to others, hense the post.

We were 7/8 handed most of that time.

5starpool

As I said above Connie, if it were me, I'd be thinking you if you had QQ+ you would have bet the flop, so it is hard to put you on a big hand, so it is either house of T's/J's or a bluff on the turn/river mostly, so you will get called by a lot. If you had QQ/KK, you would not shove that river imo.

grey_abbey

As said above, i think ur line is bluffy. Clubs will call the turn a lot, overpair will value bet river a lot. I'd be v suspicious if I were him. When he calls the turn for quarter of his stack, its likely he'l call the river.

Bet the flop...

As played I give up after he calls turn but mayb thats because im a coward.

connie147

Ok. Everyone here thinks my line is v.bluffy, so much so that LLoyd feels he'd call there with KJ. So I was very surprised when the villian folded after staring me down for about 3 mins.

The sting in the tail is that I actually raised PF with AcKc, so I made the nuts flush on the river.I was hoping to induce a call by the river shove and now I see most thinking players would have called with the J. Sorry for the misleading post but I wanted to see what most players would do in his position. If I posted as it was,Id probably have been told I should value bet the river.:rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd

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connie147

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Connie, I'd tell you to value shove the river.

There are bad players that call too much cause they like their hand and how it fits with the board irrespective of all other considerations; then there are bad players who fold too much because they dislike how their hand fits with the board irrespective of all other considerations - and big bets are scary.

I like how you played the hand. Put it this way, you can never go too far wrong betting less than the pot for value. Betting less than all in here would be silly. The lines you take should always DISGUISE your hand to a thinking player. I could never put you on that here.

I agree with you LLoyd. On the way home, this hand was stuck in my head. I was trying to figure out what he had. He couldn't have had the 10 cause he had to call with that, so its the J or he had QK and called the turn RR with the str draw. Course I was hoping he had called on a lower flush draw but obviously he hadnt.

Van Dice

Why didn't you bet the flop?
And why raise the turn when you are going to get shoved on a lot?

LuckyLloyd

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Van Dice

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Look at the last hand from this tournament. Because he played AA that way in the previous hand. And he reckoned this guy was somewhat of a thinking player who would notice stuff.

I did, but is that not even more of a reason to bet the flop and not raise the turn?

LuckyLloyd

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Van Dice

On the flop I would be happy to b/3b AI, or if he calls that's fine too. If he thinks we check behind all our big hands on the flop, then consequently we can expect to be CR lighter, and get all our money in with a huge draw, good FE, and good pot equity.

I don't see why raising the turn is good, it allows him to shove too much over the top

LuckyLloyd

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Van Dice

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Aw, ok - I see what you're saying (and I was still thinking about the hand as if we didn't have the AcKc). Sorry.

Grand, didn't know if my tourney thinking was totally wrong (prob still is tbh!)

connie147

Van Dice wrote:

On the flop I would be happy to b/3b AI, or if he calls that's fine too. If he thinks we check behind all our big hands on the flop, then consequently we can expect to be CR lighter, and get all our money in with a huge draw, good FE, and good pot equity.

I don't see why raising the turn is good, it allows him to shove too much over the top

Point taken. At the time,I felt his turn bet was weak(half pot). I hoped the reraise would take the pot down there and then.I didnt consider that he might have pushed over my head again(but I guess I should have).