Fumbling Around: 10 line checks from WCOOP # 1

LuckyLloyd

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zuutroy

Some quick observations as another point of view is all I can muster:

#1:OOP I c-bet for info when I catch any of the flop

#2: A little too passive, missing some value.

#3: I think he's folding to a turn bet here.

#4: pot the flop. You're screaming AA, KK, QQ

#5: Don't like putting my tournament at risk with that trash tbh, but if you had a strong read.....

#6: Slightly more acceptable than 5, but still not for me with so many still to act.

#7: Don't mind this at all

#8: Standard

#9: Don't mind this, but its the bottom of my range, and I'm not really happy doing it.

#10: BB sticky

ditpoker

cos i'm a good mate i opened a notepad thingy to write my replies to each of then 10 hands... don't you have a job? whats that like... anyway... havent read anyone else's replies to this yet so kinda curious to see how my replies stand up too. oh and liverpool are duller than a weak tight nit's bad beat story...

1) bet the flop when checked to. bet about 3/4 of the pot. the check behind seems... i dunno... boring.. we wanna win small pots like this to build our stack. bet! turn re-raise is attempting to do the same thing as a flop bet would. if you're raising the turn like this, just do it on the flop. river is fine.

2) flop turn river fine... dont much like calling in the bb with t9 though. you cant even say they looked pretty cos they were suited. just muck preflop, but flop turn river is fine. does anyone like a re-raise preflop!?

3) turn and river are fine. this hand highlights my utter contempt for sh1tty litte sh1te pairs. i.e.55, 66, 77, 88! they just suck. this comes down to the way you're playing. the tight timmy in me plays very similar to u in this hand. the aggro player i've been enjoying recently says find a raise be it preflop or on the flop. i think if i call with 77 here and the board has an A or K on it and its checked to me i more often than not bet at it. with the ten being the only over card its very hard to represent a hand that beats his 99 that you;d have flat called with. if you're gonna bet the flop be prepared to fire another barrell on the turn. in summary, line is fine i guess, but if feeling fun fire a few barrells. agro is more fun than passive so aggro is better than passive!

4) fire 500-700 at it. you might get a worse hand to call 700, hope an a or k doesnt hit the turn and ship the lot. i cant see him having an 8, another pair might call a smaller bet or induse him to reraise. if you're happy for ur 2k to go in here we want his 2k in too. checking might get a raise...?? think u lost value from a weaker hand, only TT, or JJ gonna give u action the way you played it... and even then not 100% sure of that either.

5) woo.. a hand that doesnt need much typing... "WHIP IT!!"

6) i actually prefer pushing with 65 than A8, you beat a hand like KQ if he calls, but possible calling hands have you crushed. A8 = the last playable ace! remember!?!? i dont like this as much as i like the 65 hand...

7) luckbox... i think your stack size doesnt warrent a push as much anymore. if you have 1000-1400 or so its fine, with effectively 2000 i dont think we need to be shoving over a raise with KQ. call to push a low flop or if you hit, drop if there board could have hit opponent? i.e. call his 300 bet from the big blind, (only costing u 200) and if board is Axx check fold and look for a spot to push your 1700 in, or push a 268 flop, very big blind-ish, or push a K/Q flop.

8) do u want to win the pot or do u want more value?

9) i dont like making it 650, maybe 550 is nicer? hand is fine. he's limped from sb, AJ is ahead of a hand that does that so often.. get them in, and stop running bad.. simple.

10) RUN BETTER FOR FUDGE'S SAKE!!! doesn't really matter how you play this hand post flop, the chips are going in unless an A hits the turn and you have a very specific read.

i like this thread...

BigCityBanker

1. I cbet flop nearly always. A bet on the river is not a value bet - its a bluff and im indifferent about making it.

2. I bet turn, (400) the boad has got drawy and he will peel off alot of river cards rather than semi bluff the turn so i think your losing value against draws/1pair hands/overpairs here alot. If he has none of it he will fold turn the same as river unless you intend checking river and giving him the opportunity to bluff.

3. Jh is a nice card for you. i like to bet it but i need to know my customer will fold.

4. Im indifferent about checking/betting flop. Against a guy who likes to bluff maybe put in a donk bet and hope he comes ott. In general I bet and im happy to take it down.

5. grand job.

BigCityBanker

6. yeah fine.

7. youve said it yourself - your frequency has got too high. Sometimes I like to call and lead pretty much any flop which doesnt have an A. (this is prolly stupid tho?)

8. Make it 450 - 475 preflop.

9. Fine.

10. sometimes i just like fold this pre. They know your range is massive and they should punish you. Surprised villian didnt push preflop tbh.

opr

Some quick thoughts as i am tired and just wanna relax and watch the new HSP eppy

Hand 1 : I would bet the flop.

Hand 2 : Meh i think you lose value here i would just lead into the turn.

Hand 3 : I think this is fine

Hand 4 : IMO this is fine. Stack size dictates this.

Hand 5 : I think this is fine

Hand 6 : Again i think its fine given history/reads. I actualy prefer to have the 5h6h when making these moves but
i don't think it matters that much equity wise when the calling ranges are actually worked out.

Hand 7 : Hmmmm i think i let this one go.

Hand 8 : I think this is fine

Hand 9 : I think this is fine

Hand 10 : I think this is fine

Opr

Goodluck2me

Hand 1: id rather see you Cbet the flop tbh, you have raised preflop and its a great flop to represent a hand a take it down, obv the opponent is likely to have missed, but taking the pot down there is useful. you also will likely have some outs if called and can slow down or w/e on later streets if you feel youve improved sufficiently.

Hand 2: i really like this line. wp. bet sizing is very good too.

Hand 3: your line is fine, you call a Cbet which you are likely ahead of and then get to a showdown cheaply. i dont like a river call here though tbh. your rarely ahead.

Hand4: not sure if i like it, its not draw heavy, obv the clubs but other than that not really. id imagin you would be called by 77+ so its not too bad, i think you are losing value though even though there is quite likely enough in the pot to justify the push too.

Hand 5: absolutely hate it, he should call you with such a wide range here, but hes obv sh1te so maybe you knew he wouldnt. in general i dislike though.

Hand 6: probably better than 5 as KJ+ should call, but if you see that he is not calling light then do it ATC really rather than with A8 for value for obvious reasons (youd be behind when called, badly)

Hand 7: 19BB your not in any panic, same as above i think.

Hand 8: absolutely, you will be called with lots of single hearts and Ace heart type hands, shove non-heart turn too.

Hand 9: overbet id imagine preflop, 450 would do me fine. im happy to get it in there, unknowns are happy to shove Ace rag and small pair type hands, certain equity there. ul with result obv.

Hand 10: bet bet bet the flop, the hand was just unlucky, obv he was happy to get it in wiht just the ace and your image justified it too as they were probably aware you didnt need the ace to do it.

phantom_lord

1. c-bet, don't like the turn raise. i think calling the turn and betting the river would be better.

2. fold pf, lead the turn maybe.

3. i think it's fine. he's never folding a T or any other hands you beat if you bet the turn. and he could defo be checking kj/qj/aj and w/e here, just so happened that he has about the only better hand that might fold. lol at his river check.

4. i'd jsut bet 800/900 and hope he has some pair and calls.

5. i don't really like it since it's an ep raise and he's getting a decent price. what's your image like?

6.

7. idk, i think you should fold, if he's opening at this stage he's calling 100%.

8. yeah fine.

9. yup

10. yup

cardshark202

1: cbet flop, fold turn, not an ounce of value in betting river
2: its ok
3: standard
4: given your read you should check flop
5: fine
6: standard
7: Yeah i would give up after the last 2.
8: standard
9: standard
10: standard

Captain Tom

hand 1 i just bet the flop. dont like the turn raise at all. you're basically repping nothing and id expect most online donkament players to call here with a fairly wide range on that board. river bet is too thin.

hand 2 id rather lead the turn. check/call flop check/raise turn is a really strong line and gives him a chance to fold strong 1 pair hands that are very likely to call if you lead turn and river. i think he shuts down a lot if he's bluffing after you c/c on such a dry board anyway. plus you get more value for your hand if he picked up some backdoor draw.

hand 3 is fine.

hand 4 id probably just lead flop for like 800. looks pretty transparent but in these spots standard weak donkament players seem more comfertable shoving like 66-TT than calling off with them.

hand 5 i dont like it. i think you're too shallow. i think 6 is good.

hand 7 he's obv not raising very light given history but i still think a push here is profitable. he'll might call light at this stage and his range is still fairly wide on the button.

hand 8 is fine. stacks are shallow enough to just bet/get it in.

hand 9 is fine. although i think if you raise less p/f he shoves a wider range.

hand 10 is fine obv.

Requiem4adream

Just skimmed thru them and the thing that stands out for me is the type of hands you're getting in relatively big pots with : 9 10 x2, 56, K7, AJo, KQo, A8o.

i know it was a 6 handed game but i thought the structure was pretty good...basically what im trying to get at is perhaps you could control the pots a little better post flop or vary your range pre..... if you go deep say over 500 hands in that game i think you're giving yourself too many avoidable marginal situations and tough decisions.

OR do what i do and dont look back over your hands in the cold light of day and suddenly realise how much junk i raise with and get in stupid pots with!!!! that works too

im in a $30 nl tourny at the mo just on FT 8 left from 436 - just to illustrate what im talkin bout above:

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 322 hands and saw flop:
- 17 out of 42 times while in big blind (40%)
- 12 out of 41 times while in small blind (29%)
- 19 out of 239 times in other positions (7%)
- a total of 48 out of 322 (14%)
Pots won at showdown - 17 of 28 (60%)
Pots won without showdown - 40

My showdown % is the worst ive ever had for a tourny ive FT'd and Pots without showdown is the highest. im playing really bad, playing a lot of hands that i shouldnt be and as a result im left with too many marginal situations and needing to recover by being super aggro.

I think that's the net result of a weak accumulative range of hands and a lack of pot control. I'll reread all this tomorrow im half asleep and there's an 82% chance im talking ****e!!!

Flushdraw

Hand 1: I’d defo cbet the flop. I’m folding this hand PF more than I’m open raising with it TBH. This early on, a lot of players don’t fold K10,QJ,J10 to a raise so I never know where I am if I hit the flop

Hand 2 : I cant see the cards. Damn server in work

Hand 3: I sometimes 3bet PF. I’d probably lead the turn but you didn’t do anything wrong in the hand

Hand 4: Bet about 800 on the flop and try to induce a move from him. Your push is too strong and its probably a bit early for him to make a hero call with 33-77. I’d still expect a call off an overpair though if he had it

Hand 5: Fine

Hand 6: Fine although I’m a bit weary pushing with Ace rag because you’re usually in bad shape if you’re called. I prefer to make this move with suited connectors

Hand 7: I like it. His opening range seems to be as wide as your pushing range so he might make a call with KJ or a small PP and I’m happy to take a chance here

Hand 8: Fine. I’d expect him to push over the top PF with some hands your dominating after the hiding youre giving him. Flop is fine and I’d call a push

Hand 9: I like a smaller raise PF. I’d defo calling his push

Hand 10 ; Always bet the flop and get it in all in. You played it fine, just unlucky

LuckyLloyd

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Mr.Plough

1 - i check here sometimes also. you expect this flop to hit a large part of his range, and given your description he'll call a cbet with any pair/draw. why did you raise the turn?

2 - against this villain i 3bet or fold pf. i lead the turn sometimes

4 - i prefer to bet and call a shove, or bet and shove turn

7 - id fold


rest are standard

LuckyLloyd

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5pin5

lloyd i watch you play and cannot understand how you do not go deeper in these .reading your hands here has made my mind up to change my play on sunday and see what happens 10 10 + only from now on and bet every card no checks anymore and we will see if they stay with me

LuckyLloyd

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Flushdraw

5pin5 wrote:

lloyd i watch you play and cannot understand how you do not go deeper in these .reading your hands here has made my mind up to change my play on sunday and see what happens 10 10 + only from now on and bet every card no checks anymore and we will see if they stay with me

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There's no way you're mucking 53suited PF Eamonn...you just wont be able to bring yourself to do it. Its not in your nature!

strewelpeter

I can't see how anyone ever gets away from 9 and 10 in a set up like this.

I Like 5 and I much prefer 7 to 6, I don't see anything wrong with keeping the pressure on. I've completely cut out the likes of 6 What I don't like is that if you are called you need a miracle flop to progress with any confidence of being ahead.