Is this really bad

RichieLawlor

Just after the end of the rebuy period in the PLO WCOOP ( cant convert the damn hand history)

Villian #1 obviously has not played much omaha, he has amassed a monster stack relative to the table thru stupid plays. ( one instance 4 betting 2 black aces no redraw on a 5h 6h 7h board catching 6 6 to win it)

Vilian #2 just moved to my table no info at all ( short stacked)

Blinds 50-100

Hero 7000 C/O
Villian #1 31000 SB
Villian #2 2900 BB


I get Ad 4d 5h 6h

folded to me i pot it to 350 and both call flop is 2d 3d 3h and SB pots it
for 1050 and BB insta shoves, i shove over the top???

Good, Bad, Horrible???

Flushdraw

I think its horrible Richie. I never go to war on a paired board with a straight/flush draw. You could be drawing dead to the 5d

CaptainNemo

You could be drawing dead to the BB (but maybe not, he could have just a bare 3) but from your description your draws have a high probability of being live to the SB which means if you can get him to put his chips in the pot you've a good chance of winning the side pot which would give you a profit for the hand.

That said, you still don't have a hand and if the SB calls you need to hit. Because you've described him as such a bad player I would think there will be better spots for you to get chips off him than shoving in with a straight flush draw on a paired board. You've only invested 350 in the hand so I think it's better to let this one go.

cardshark202

Its not horrible, but I would rather just call I think

CaptainNemo

To put it another way, if the BB already has a house then you are investing 6650 chips in order to win a pot of about 8000 total (the side pot against the SB). That's IF the SB calls your shove. If he folds then you may be drawing to 1 out against the BB.

Also, the SB may have a 3. That means that even if he calls your shove AND your draws are live, several of your outs may be dead (giving him a house).

Also, even bad players can get good hands. The SB could have pocket 2s.

The more I think of it, given your description of the SB, you HAVE to fold this and wait for a better spot when you have a made hand. So I guess "horrible" is my answer...

5starpool

I had a big reply written, but didn't post it, had to go to a meeting and then pressed the wrong button so lost it.

Basically I was saying similiar to the above. It is not the worst play I have ever seen, but on a paired board, even if you hit it could just be giving houses to other players. The donk could well have anything, including a 3, and if he does, assuming you hit then he might well improve to a house as well, never mind the fact that he may, however unlikely, have a house already.

I would only have called preflop, and not raised btw, and I generally would not have led at the flop.

CaptainNemo

5starpool wrote:

I would only have called preflop, and not raised btw, and I generally would not have led at the flop.

It's a decent enough hand for a preflop raise, I know it's not aces but I like those hands (suited ace + rundown).

I don't think he led at the flop - the way he tells it, the SB comes straight in with a pot sized bet, BB is all in and the hero is last to act?

5starpool

CaptainNemo wrote:

It's a decent enough hand for a preflop raise, I know it's not aces but I like those hands (suited ace + rundown).

I don't think he led at the flop - the way he tells it, the SB comes straight in with a pot sized bet, BB is all in and the hero is last to act?

I am certainly not denying that it is a decent hand, but if he gets repotted after a caller, then he could well be putting in 1400 preflop, and it is not really worth 20% of your stack imo, and this is why I like a call here, as he can call a raise with the hand, but calling a second pot size raise is a different matter, and attaches you to a lot of flops you have some of (even ones worse for us than this despite the pair)

eoin-dubh

was the Villain called the cleaner 11 ?
blinds at 1k/2k he limps utg with bare KK32 (stack 32k) i raise pot with AAKJ
double suited (stack 25k) and donkey reraises and i call all in.......and the case King flops....fcucking donkey ...el busto 72nd

RichieLawlor

i railed u for a while martin, you managed that shortstack like a genius

eoin-dubh

for your kind comment Richie