So what's a double movement?

komodosp

Just watching the Canada vs Fiji match and Canada had a try disallowed as it was a double movement... What exactly is this? I've seen the ball touched down before the goal-line before and then lifted over the line and touched down again and the try given despite fellow pub-goers reassuring that it would be considered a double movement...

Didn't really understand what it was about the Canada try that was illegal...

Jesus Wept

I've done a few double movements in my time, but they didn't relate to rugby.

//leaves thread.

Wisesmurf

my understanding is:

Where a player is tackled short of the line and is fully extended and stationary he can not the reach for the line because, by the rules of rugby union you must recycle the ball (or at least try) when grounded before the line. If he does make a movement after being stationary is it a foul i.e. double movement.

Sabre0001

If a player is tackled and held, and he trys to move over the line (rather than extending arms) and touches it down, it is disallowed as a double movement...

randomname2005

The rules state that:
A tackled player may release the ball by putting it on the ground
in any direction, provided this is done immediately.

So if the player is tackled and held (and stopped moving) (s)he has one shot at placing the ball on or over the line. If the ball is placed on the ground in the field of play (first movement) and then lifted and placed over the try line (second movement) this constitutes a double movement. If the player is sliding and reaches out to put the ball over the line that is acceptable.
R

Edit: OP: I dont understand the canada non-try either!

marco_polo

randomname2005 wrote:

The rules state that:
A tackled player may release the ball by putting it on the ground
in any direction, provided this is done immediately.

So if the player is tackled and held (and stopped moving) (s)he has one shot at placing the ball on or over the line. If the ball is placed on the ground in the field of play (first movement) and then lifted and placed over the try line (second movement) this constitutes a double movement. If the player is sliding and reaches out to put the ball over the line that is acceptable.
R

Edit: OP: I dont understand the canada non-try either!

So basically like many other laws of rugby a double movement is whatever the referee thinks a double movement is .

kevmy

An example of a disallowed double movement try people might remember was a game against England a couple of years ago. Mark Cueto was tackled by Jerry Flannery (I think) in the corner and stopped. Flannery held onto his leg. Cueto got on hie knees and kinda flopped over the line. It was disallowed because a) he had stopped moving after the tackle b) he couldn't reach the line from his original stopped position c) Flannery held onto his leg d) by getting to his knees and pushing himself forward with them he was moving forward without the momentum of his original run.

Tim Robbins

kevmy wrote:

An example of a disallowed double movement try people might remember was a game against England a couple of years ago. Mark Cueto was tackled by Jerry Flannery (I think) in the corner and stopped. Flannery held onto his leg. Cueto got on hie knees and kinda flopped over the line. It was disallowed because a) he had stopped moving after the tackle b) he couldn't reach the line from his original stopped position c) Flannery held onto his leg d) by getting to his knees and pushing himself forward with them he was moving forward without the momentum of his original run.

When player his held short of the line, in a tackle he is perfectly allowed to reach out in any direction and score. This is not a double movement. A double movement is when he is held and his momentum has stopped, he deliberately tries to move the upper half of his body, and then reach out to make the line.

Please give this explaination a mark out of ten?

randomname2005

Tim Robbins wrote:

When player is held short of the line, in a tackle he is perfectly allowed to reach out in any direction and score. This is not a double movement. A double movement is when he is held and his momentum has stopped with the ball in contact with the ground , (s)he deliberately lifts the ball up again , and then reaches out to make the line.

Tim I would rate it an 8.5 with a few minor corrections required. The important bit is that the ball is stopped on the ground (with the player also stopped and held) and then the player reaches out to ground the ball.

Also, a tackle can only take place within the field of play, hence Darcy could place the ball on the ground even though he was on his back when over the try line in the Italy match this year.

Snickers Man

kevmy wrote:

An example of a disallowed double movement try people might remember was a game against England a couple of years ago. Mark Cueto was tackled by Jerry Flannery (I think) in the corner and stopped. Flannery held onto his leg. Cueto got on hie knees and kinda flopped over the line. It was disallowed because a) he had stopped moving after the tackle b) he couldn't reach the line from his original stopped position c) Flannery held onto his leg d) by getting to his knees and pushing himself forward with them he was moving forward without the momentum of his original run.

That is an almost perfect statement of the facts.

Except that the English player was Ben Cohen and the Irish tackler was Gordon D'Arcy.

But on the legalities, you are spot on.

(thinks: must get a new anorak)

jdivision

Was about to say same thing as last poster:)

Tim Robbins

randomname2005 wrote:

Tim I would rate it an 8.5 with a few minor corrections required. The important bit is that the ball is stopped on the ground (with the player also stopped and held) and then the player reaches out to ground the ball.

Also, a tackle can only take place within the field of play, hence Darcy could place the ball on the ground even though he was on his back when over the try line in the Italy match this year.

Interesting.
The ball doesn't have to be on the ground for the tackle to be made, only the knee of the tackled player (while the tackler holding them) has to be.

Double - movements isn't the laws, it's a combination of other laws.
Are you a ref btw?

kevmy

Snickers Man wrote:

That is an almost perfect statement of the facts.

Except that the English player was Ben Cohen and the Irish tackler was Gordon D'Arcy.

But on the legalities, you are spot on.

(thinks: must get a new anorak)

I knew it was a big strong English winger but don't know where I got Flannery out of :rolleyes:

CoDy1

If you go under the premise that you can't play the ball on the ground it should help to show why a double movement is not a try. If you are tackled on your own 22 and do not release the ball you are penalised - simple.
Same goes if you are tackled before try line. If you can reach and ground ball over or on tryline or momentum has brought you over the line - try given.
If you move after being tackled while still on the ground to reach and score you will be penalised for playing the ball on the ground therefore no try given.

Anyway, it will always depend on the Ref. :mad: