2007 GAA Football Rankings

patmac

Here are my GAA rankings based on the following criteria (and after discussion from last years thread):
Championship win: 8pts Championship draw 4pts.
Championship win after draw: 4pts Championship draw 4pts.
League Div 1 win: 4pts League Div 1 draw 2pts.
League Div 2 win: 2pts League Div 1 draw 1pts.
Bonus points: All-Ireland winners :36 pts
Provincial winners:24 pts League winners:8pts.
So for 2007 (2006 in brackets).
1(1) Kerry 118
2(3) Dublin 68
3(8) Donegal 66
4(15) Tyrone 62
5(11) Meath 59
6(18) Sligo 55
7(4) Cork 52
8(16) Derry 50
9(22) Monaghan38
10(2) Mayo 36
10(10) Galway 36
12(6) Laois 34
12(20) Louth 34
14(14) Kildare 28
15(7) W'stm'th 20
16(18) Wexford 19
17(26) Cavan 16
17(28) Leitrim 16
19(12) Offaly 15
19(13) Longford 15
21(4) Armagh 12
21(22) Roscommon12
23(16) Down 10
23(29) Waterford10
23(31) Wicklow 10
26(8) Fermngh 8
27(21) Limerick 6
27(24) Clare 6
29(29) Antrim 4
30(27) Tipperary 3
31(25) Carlow 2
31(32) London 2
33(32) New York 0
33(32) Kilkenny 0
I know Cork are below Meath and Sligo but they didn't win a Provincial and Meath won as many championship games as them and had a slightly better League.

5 year ranking a truer mark of a teams standing IMO:
1(1) Kerry 532
2(2) Tyrone 404
3(6) Dublin 292
4(3) Armagh 290
5(5) Mayo 254
6(7) Laois 240
7(4) Galway 238
8(13) Donegal 196
9(12) Cork 190
10(8) Derry 180
11(9) Meath 170
12(9) W'stm'th 168
13(11) Fermngh 164
14(15) Sligo 145
15(24) Monaghan123
15(20) Wexford 123
17(18) Kildare 121
18(17) Offaly 120
19(14) Roscommon114
20(21) Down 112
21(19) Limerick 111
22(16) Cavan 104
23(22) Louth 102
24(23) Longford 90
25(27) Leitrim 60
26(26) Clare 57
27(25) Carlow 55
28(29) Antrim 42
29(28) Tipperary 37
30(30) Wicklow 28
31(31) Waterford18
32(32) London 4
33(33) New York 0
33(33) Kilkenny 0

blackbelt

Well you beat me to it Patmac but I'll give my rankings as to how I see things.I am taking into account the last 2-3 years ie 2005-2007 with this year having the big impact on how I perceive a team to be ranked.

1.Kerry
2.Dublin
3.Tyrone
4.Cork
5.Mayo
6.Monaghan
7.Meath
8.Galway
9.Derry
10.Donegal
11.Armagh
12.Laois

13.Sligo
14.Fermanagh
15.Wexford
16.Westmeath
17.Louth
18.Limerick
19.Leitrim
20.Kildare
21.Down
22.Cavan
23.Roscommon
24.Longford

25.Wicklow
26.Offaly
27.Antrim
28.Clare
29.Waterford
30.Carlow
31.Tipperary
32.London
33.New York
34.Kilkenny

I put Dublin second because three Leinster titles and two semi-finals shows that Dublin have if not sustained their progress unlike some of the other big counties.Dublin have also been beaten by the eventual winners 2 out of the last three years.

I put Tyrone third as I believe injuries had a big part to play in their demise this year and last year.After surviving 10 matches to win in 2005 and beating the current champions,I believe they are still in the big three.

Mayo have slipped down to 5 as they were defeated very early in Connaught and didn't reach the last 8 this year.While this looks very dodgy for them,last years Connaught title and their final appearances in 2004 and 2006 will keep them up.I also believe they will be back next year.

Cork are at 4.The Munster title win last year and three semi finals 2004-2006 and this years final keeps them in the top five but this years final display was atrocious that they are kept outside the top three.

Monaghan move up significantly after making an Ulster Final appearance and pushing Tyrone and nearly defeating Kerry.Their win over Donegal was huge as Donegal were among the hot favourites to win Sam this year.Dominating Kerry for 66 mins says it all.

Meath came out of nowhere this year to push the Dubs to a replay and disposed of Fermanagh,Down,Galway and Tyrone.Tyrone was their best performance and after winning a league title,I think they are back in the top ten and will be back next year.Derry also move up due to their giant killer status this year by beating Armagh,Mayo and Laois who all reached the last 8 last year.


Galway,Donegal,Laois and Armagh all fall due to the fashion in which they were knocked out.Galway and Armagh are in big decline and having not won their province,slip down.Sligo move up in the rankings but are still a bit unproven...will they keep their progress up or was this year a flash in the pan?

Wexford are still where they are and until they can get past the semi-final in Leinster,they will stay where they are.Offaly have dropped significantly due to their upset loss at the hands of Wicklow in the Tommy Murphy Cup.

patmac

Here is the last three years using the same criteria and Dublin are second best.
1(1) Kerry 324
2(6) Dublin 214
3(2) Tyrone 204
4(3) Armagh 164
5(5) Mayo 158
6(12) Cork 148
7(4) Galway 134
8(7) Laois 126
9(13) Donegal 126
10(9) Meath 126
11(8) Derry 111
12(15) Sligo 105
13(24) Monaghan94
14(18) Kildare 88
15(9) W'stm'th 76
16(22) Louth 76
17(20) Wexford 73
18(17) Offaly 67
19(16) Cavan 64
20(11) Fermngh 60
21(21) Down 58
22(23) Longford 54
23(14) Roscommon44
24(19) Limerick 41
25(26) Clare 41
26(27) Leitrim 37
27(25) Carlow 29
28(29) Antrim 20
29(30) Wicklow 17
30(31) Waterford16
31(28) Tipperary 11
32(32) London 2
33(33) New York 0
33(33) Kilkenny 0

K-9

Jaysus boys, too much time!

Blackbelt is probably not too far of the mark. Rankings don't take account of up and coming teams.

I'd agree Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone are the top 3. Dublin would be 2nd on performance the last 2 years, but Tyrone have to be there on potential. Not unfilfilled potential at that!

After that, I'd say Cork, Derry and Monaghan in no particular order because the potential is there to build on this year. Basing it on this year, puts them ahead.

After that, Donegal, Mayo, Meath and Armagh because it's hard to see what they'll do next year, but all could get to a SF if things go right.

Galway and Laois are 2 teams that have not delivered on the potential the last few years and may have reached their level. Galway would be ahead of Laois though.

Out of the rest, maybe Kildare or Down could be in the top 12 next year. Sligo would be in the top 12, but it seems the QF is as far as they can get on a good year.

D. Coughlan

patmac wrote:

Here are my GAA rankings based on the following criteria (and after discussion from last years thread):
Championship win: 8pts Championship draw 4pts.
Championship win after draw: 4pts Championship draw 4pts.
League Div 1 win: 4pts League Div 1 draw 2pts.
League Div 2 win: 2pts League Div 1 draw 1pts.
Bonus points: All-Ireland winners :36 pts
Provincial winners:24 pts League winners:8pts.
So for 2007 (2006 in brackets).
1(1) Kerry 118
2(3) Dublin 68
3(8) Donegal 66
4(15) Tyrone 62
5(11) Meath 59
6(18) Sligo 55
7(4) Cork 52
8(16) Derry 50
9(22) Monaghan38
10(2) Mayo 36
10(10) Galway 36
12(6) Laois 34
12(20) Louth 34
14(14) Kildare 28
15(7) W'stm'th 20
16(18) Wexford 19
17(26) Cavan 16
17(28) Leitrim 16
19(12) Offaly 15
19(13) Longford 15
21(4) Armagh 12
21(22) Roscommon12
23(16) Down 10
23(29) Waterford10
23(31) Wicklow 10
26(8) Fermngh 8
27(21) Limerick 6
27(24) Clare 6
29(29) Antrim 4
30(27) Tipperary 3
31(25) Carlow 2
31(32) London 2
33(32) New York 0
33(32) Kilkenny 0
I know Cork are below Meath and Sligo but they didn't win a Provincial and Meath won as many championship games as them and had a slightly better League.

5 year ranking a truer mark of a teams standing IMO:
1(1) Kerry 532
2(2) Tyrone 404
3(6) Dublin 292
4(3) Armagh 290
5(5) Mayo 254
6(7) Laois 240
7(4) Galway 238
8(13) Donegal 196
9(12) Cork 190
10(8) Derry 180
11(9) Meath 170
12(9) W'stm'th 168
13(11) Fermngh 164
14(15) Sligo 145
15(24) Monaghan123
15(20) Wexford 123
17(18) Kildare 121
18(17) Offaly 120
19(14) Roscommon114
20(21) Down 112
21(19) Limerick 111
22(16) Cavan 104
23(22) Louth 102
24(23) Longford 90
25(27) Leitrim 60
26(26) Clare 57
27(25) Carlow 55
28(29) Antrim 42
29(28) Tipperary 37
30(30) Wicklow 28
31(31) Waterford18
32(32) London 4
33(33) New York 0
33(33) Kilkenny 0

Cork 7th this year, DOWN from 4th last year, come on there should at least be bonus points for qualifying for the Final, the championship is where it matters and if that was a true reflection Cork would be at least in the top three or four.

cournioni

Being quite generous to Cavan there in fairness.

Kojak

Galway are about in the right placings (i.e 8th to 10th). At the moment they are in rapid decline and IMO wont be making any impression for a few years at least.

Monaghan seemed to have gotten a raw enough deal. I thought, given the fact that they were the closest team to Kerry all year, that they would be counted better than 9th or 13th.

patmac

Just to say it is probably harsh on both Cork and Monaghan, but we had the same discussion last year and neither team actually won anything so greater points were given to provincial winners and both had poor leagues (Monaghan being Div 2). Cork remember won Munster last year.

Utopia Parkway

Kojak wrote:

Galway are about in the right placings (i.e 8th to 10th). At the moment they are in rapid decline and IMO wont be making any impression for a few years at least.
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I wouldn't say Galway are in rapid decline. They've been in decline for a few years and have more or less stabilised now at about 8th to 10th. Could go up or down from there depending on how the new coach goes.

The ratings in truth are.

1. Kerry

2. Daylight

3. Everyone else.

Jugs82

1.Kerry
2.Dublin
3.Tyrone
4.Cork
5.Mayo
6.Monaghan
7.Meath
8.Galway
9.Derry
10.Donegal
11.Armagh
12.Laois

13.Sligo
14.Fermanagh
15.Wexford
16.Westmeath
17.Louth
18.Limerick
19.Leitrim
20.Kildare
21.Down
22.Cavan
23.Roscommon
24.Longford

25.Wicklow
26.Offaly
27.Antrim
28.Clare
29.Waterford
30.Carlow
31.Tipperary
32.London
33.New York
34.Kilkenny

A tad tough on Offaly!!

patmac

Jugs82 wrote:

A tad tough on Offaly!!

Don't think so Div 4 team and Wicklow won the Tommy Murphy Cup beating Offaly on the way!

blackbelt

Offaly have declined big time.They were a pretty average side and made it to the Leinster Final last year keeping up with the Dubs for 50 mins.Now they are in division 4 and have gone from losing to Dublin in front of 83,500 people in a Leinster Final to losing a semi-final of the Tommy Murphy Cup to Wicklow in front of 8,000 in Aughrim so I believe my stance on Offaly is justified.

I thought the manner in which Monaghan progressed this year and how they played pushed them up significantly even if they didn't win anything.I really think they have a chance to win Ulster next year.If Dublin win Leinster and if Monaghan lose in the Ulster Final,we will be treated to an excellent quarter final between Dublin and Monaghan.

The last time these teams met,Monaghan beat Dublin comprehensively by 7 points in Parnell Park albeit one week removed from Omaghgate.I think Galway remain in the lower point of the first 8 having won Connaught and making a few Quarter Final appearances but I believe they will slip further while Mayo will come back again.