Agency or direct to the company?

prem_vw

hi All,

Im currently on the lookout for a new job. I've been talking to a recruitment consultant from an agency. I have spoken to him about one job in particular. He asked me whats the minimum salary I would consider for this job and I told him. He then said he wasn't too sure what the company was prepared to pay. I found this strange as he seems to know alot about the company and he also told me he placed people in jobs there before. Anyhow he said he would ring the company and find out the salary. He got back to me about 30 mins after our conversation and told me what the most the company was prepared to pay. It was less than what I had expected and about 2-3k less than the market average for 2-3 years experience for such a job.

Thing is I know the company offering the job and could apply directly to them. Do recruitment consultants basically take a cut from the salary and then say the company will only pay X amount? I'm not sure how it works and would appreciate any advice on the matter.

IRISH RAIL

Got it in one prem
yes they take a big cut
theres two types of employment in an agency
1st is temporary where the agency pays your wages each week ( ususally not too far from the min wage ) the company probably pays another 5 euro an hour on top of that,
the second is slightly different
its where the company gets the agency to do screening for them
its a completly lazy thing because the agency will send anybody to them.
I had a guy come in for an interview ( I couldnt control the fact they got an agency to do this ) and he was a really nice guy young and eager but the job we had advertised was nothing near what he was told when he found out what he would have been doing he nearly got sick!
but the good thing is I got him another job in a different department and he is one of the best guys ive seen in years.

agencys will lie steal and cheat you always there there to make a profit and they dont care whos lives get affected in the process.

my advice is go to the company direct and they will save a bundle on agency fees,

failing that get the herald and always go straight to the company

ps is there a thread on agencys I want a rant now!

prem_vw

IRISH RAIL wrote:

Got it in one prem
yes they take a big cut
theres two types of employment in an agency
1st is temporary where the agency pays your wages each week ( ususally not too far from the min wage ) the company probably pays another 5 euro an hour on top of that,
the second is slightly different
its where the company gets the agency to do screening for them
its a completly lazy thing because the agency will send anybody to them.
I had a guy come in for an interview ( I couldnt control the fact they got an agency to do this ) and he was a really nice guy young and eager but the job we had advertised was nothing near what he was told when he found out what he would have been doing he nearly got sick!
but the good thing is I got him another job in a different department and he is one of the best guys ive seen in years.

agencys will lie steal and cheat you always there there to make a profit and they dont care whos lives get affected in the process.

my advice is go to the company direct and they will save a bundle on agency fees,

failing that get the herald and always go straight to the company

ps is there a thread on agencys I want a rant now!

Cheers for the advice irish_rail I will add those agencies to my dodgey characters list along with auctioneers and used car salesmen!!

amtc

of course they take a cut. the issue is that the company will have signed an exclusive agreement with the agency that they won't take on direct approaches who have been through the agency. If that gets out, the company's pretty much blacklisted and any workng relationship for every other job gone.

I'm no great fan of agencies, but I knowhow it works.

ChRoMe

Of course they are paid a commision.

But it doesnt come out of your salary.

IRISH RAIL

it has to come somewhere! companies have a budget for staff not for staff then agencies then assosiated costs if there was no agency there would be more money for people

imalegend

IRISH RAIL wrote:

it has to come somewhere! companies have a budget for staff not for staff then agencies then assosiated costs if there was no agency there would be more money for people

dont talk about stuff you dont know about.

There is a maket rate for jobs,agencies fees are seperate.They dont come out of a staffs wage and if there was no agencies it would be harder for companies to fill positions without having loads of interviews.Companies pay for a service that they provide but they are whores to people.People are a commidity to them.If there were no agencies people would NOT get paid more!

Cheese Princess

The agency I got my current job with got a fee of 10% of my salary amount. I saw the invoice.

IRISH RAIL

ok worded badly but there would still be more money,
and yes i do know what im talking about.

it only takes a few minuites to go through a few cv,s not days or weeks.
an agency will do the exact same and send the firs person who walks in the door out to the job.

the last time i knew of people being a comodity is slavery days. have we come back to that again now?

flash harry

Cheese Princess wrote:

The agency I got my current job with got a fee of 10% of my salary amount. I saw the invoice.

yes the fee is derived as a % of your salary - but not taken out of your salary

flash harry

IRISH RAIL wrote:

it only takes a few minuites to go through a few cv,s not days or weeks.
an agency will do the exact same and send the firs person who walks in the door out to the job.

yeah but in case you didnt know, there's a skills shortage so getting those CVs in the first place is where recruiter earns their loot.

As for sending the first person they see - well lets just say there's good and bad in all companies

Tom Dunne

IRISH RAIL wrote:

and yes i do know what im talking about.

You certainly don't come across as somebody who does.

There are two situations being confused here:

1: You work for an agency, in a company. The company pays the agency, the agency deduct a % and they pay you. I believe the likes of CPL work this way.

2: You work directly for the company. The company pays a once off fee to the agency, which is calculated based on your starting salary.

IRISH RAIL wrote:

it only takes a few minuites to go through a few cv,s not days or weeks.
an agency will do the exact same and send the firs person who walks in the door out to the job.

the last time i knew of people being a comodity is slavery days. have we come back to that again now?

What are you talking about?

IRISH RAIL

Thats what the guy I interviewed told me !
he was told the wrong job description as well! Money well spent I say
Oh and in case anyone hasnt noticed, Yes I do have a chip on my sholder when it comes to an agency. I was screwed around by a professional liar for years.

Borzoi

prem_vw wrote:

Thing is I know the company offering the job and could apply directly to them. Do recruitment consultants basically take a cut from the salary and then say the company will only pay X amount? I'm not sure how it works and would appreciate any advice on the matter.

For salaried jobs the agency will get commission of roughly 10-15% of the years wages, depending on what deal they have.

From a companies perspective - if you apply direct - they have the potential to pay more to the candidate, as they don't have to pay the agency. It's worth noting that no body really likes agencies, so most firms would rather the money was in a candidates pocket rather than an agency.

You can ignore talks of black ball -it's in no ones interest to say anything.

kcools

Borzoi wrote:

For salaried jobs the agency will get commission of roughly 10-15% of the years wages, depending on what deal they have.

From a companies perspective - if you apply direct - they have the potential to pay more to the candidate, as they don't have to pay the agency. It's worth noting that no body really likes agencies, so most firms would rather the money was in a candidates pocket rather than an agency.

You can ignore talks of black ball -it's in no ones interest to say anything.

Sorry but this is complete BS. And yes I do know. I have manged agencies both here and in the UK and have laso been their customer. Agencies serve a professional function. Many companies will ONLY recruit through an agency - it makes sense in terms of the agency's expertise, candidate pool, guarantees of success*, etc.
* Candidates that don't work out will mean a refund from the agency (within time limits obviously).
The vast majority of companies are very bad at recruiting and this is where the agencies come in - just as other support services are outsourced.
Now that's not to say there aren't some bad, worse and some downright awful agencies. There undoubtedly are. Equally there are plenty of good, reputable agencies that many organisations rely upon.

Lastly I have never come across any situation where the agency fee has had an impact on a candidates salary - and I have been involved in placing over 2,000 candidates.

The moral of the story is find a good recruitment consultant and stick with them.

Borzoi

kcools wrote:

Sorry but this is complete BS. And yes I do know. I have manged agencies both here and in the UK and have laso been their customer. Agencies serve a professional function. Many companies will ONLY recruit through an agency - it makes sense in terms of the agency's expertise, candidate pool, guarantees of success*, etc.
* Candidates that don't work out will mean a refund from the agency (within time limits obviously).
The vast majority of companies are very bad at recruiting and this is where the agencies come in - just as other support services are outsourced.
Now that's not to say there aren't some bad, worse and some downright awful agencies. There undoubtedly are. Equally there are plenty of good, reputable agencies that many organisations rely upon.

Lastly I have never come across any situation where the agency fee has had an impact on a candidates salary - and I have been involved in placing over 2,000 candidates.

The moral of the story is find a good recruitment consultant and stick with them.

Of course you would say that - you're an agent!:eek: