Some HU SNG hands

McWager

Only 7 hands in but my read so far is that villain is somewhere from not very good to total donkey

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $7/$15
2 players
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Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with :jc :as
Hero raises to $45, BB calls.

Flop: :ts :qc :qs ($90, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $60, BB calls.

Turn: :7c ($210, 2 players)
BB bets $60, Hero calls.

River: :kh ($330, 2 players)
BB bets $320,

My feeling was that he definitely had a queen, and that he calls a shove with any queen(he just seemed like that kind of player- call it intuition, experience or overactive imagination)
Does anyone shove here ever?


Later in the same game and we have now established that he is in fact a donkey. Consequently I am being very nice to him, and we have had some good chat. Just before shoving, he types gl into the chat box which had me very confused. What in general do you think this means? Can anyone fold here?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $50/$100
2 players
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Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with :9c :as
Hero raises to $300, BB raises all-in $1365,

NickyOD

Welcome to the forum.

I would probably just call there, but if I had the nut flush or a low disguised straight and the board had less paint alongside the 2 Queens I would probably value shove the river against this kind of player. In any other situation I think it's a bad idea to shove on a paired board.

Van Dice

I would definitely just call. Taking this as his calling range

Board: Ts Qs Qc 7c Kh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.500% 62.50% 00.00% 40 0.00 { AsJc }
Hand 1: 37.500% 37.50% 00.00% 24 0.00 { TT, 77, AQs, KQs, Q7s+, J9s, AQo, KQo, Q7o+, J9o }

You are 62.5% to win game. If you just call and win you have 2:1 chiplead (1500 starting stack yeah?), so you should have more equity with that. Also it's hard to get a real read after just 7 hands, and he might fold J9/Q9/Q8.


Hand 2 I def call unless he's been ultra-passive. The 'gl' probably means he's a nice guy and you've made a new friend, congrats

Samba

I used to feel it was best to flat call in these spots then i quickly realised all the value i was losing out on to trips and two pair hands.

He calls you all day with a Q for me this is a clear push, the fact that the board has paired does not change much for me, this is a HU game.

Van Dice I think your range is far too generous for a flat call from the BB in a HU game.

You probably posted the thread because you lost? Shrug, i still ship it all day long and be happy about it. Especially if you feel this player is weak.

Hand 2, what hands usually do this...sometimes pretty paint more often small pairs though.

I don't like calling off here with A9, maybe if the blinds are bigger. I would generally let this go and look for a better spot to kill the game.

Alot of Aces have you in bad shape and you are flipping against any small pair....not worth it imo

NickyOD

Hand 2 is a pretty standard call for a HU STT IMO.

Van Dice

Samba wrote:

I used to feel it was best to flat call in these spots then i quickly realised all the value i was losing out on to trips and two pair hands.

He calls you all day with a Q for me this is a clear push, the fact that the board has paired does not change much for me, this is a HU game.

Van Dice I think your range is far too generous for a flat call from the BB in a HU game.

You probably posted the thread because you lost? Shrug, i still ship it all day long and be happy about it. Especially if you feel this player is weak.

Hand 2, what hands usually do this...sometimes pretty paint more often small pairs though.

I don't like calling off here with A9, maybe if the blinds are bigger. I would generally let this go and look for a better spot to kill the game.

Alot of Aces have you in bad shape and you are flipping against any small pair....not worth it imo

The range I mentioned was a range that he might call a river shove with. HU games are so opponent dependent and the flow of the game matters so much, that it's hard to say, but imo we have more equity by calling than shoving. It's probably close though

Hand 2 I would never fold A9 here unless I had a specific reason, such as a power failure

Samba

NickyOD wrote:

Hand 2 is a pretty standard call for a HU STT IMO.

I presumed stack sizes were 1500, from the blinds i see they must be 1k? I've never played there..... yeah it's a snap call in that case.

Apologies presumed we were talking about 1500 starting stacks....

Van Dice wrote:

The range I mentioned was a range that he might call a river shove with. HU games are so opponent dependent and the flow of the game matters so much, that it's hard to say, but imo we have more equity by calling than shoving. It's probably close though

I agree they are player dependent.
But i still think your range is too generous based on the action. If we were re-raised PF o.k but the way the action has taken place in this spot he shows up light enough times to make this a profitable shove.

Another point is why draw to the middle pin nut straight if you are not going to maximize your profit when you hit?

This is not going to be profitable.

A flat call against some opponents would be optimal but against unknowns and suspected donks this has to be a shove imo. That's if you decide to put yourself in this situation, I don't think you should call two streets and not have a plan for if you hit/miss, that applies to the turn and river.

RoundTower

shove 1, call 2, post better reads

The C Kid

Hand One easy shove.

Hand Two is easy call. In HU SNGs when blinds are 50/100 or higher, you should only raise hands you know you are either passing/calling a shove with. Only a tiny percentage of players raise/pass at this level so players calling ranges are very polarized. I'd limp hands like QJs, 89s etc and raise hands that you have no decision with ie A9, 92o etc. Obviously your raising frequency depends on the individual game but its important that you keep your range fairly wide as it will allow you to put them under more pressure as most won't respond to your range by changing theirs.

Again oppos stack size is very important, when oppo gets to 700 or so i tend to limp nearly all hands at 50/100 level apart from pushing obvious hands. Most players play really tight here and will allow you to limp all day, and then pass to a 1/2 pot on the flop.

McWager

Apologies stack sizes were 1500 - there is nothing I fold with 1k stacks, and I agree that it is a fairly standard call with A9o - I really didnt like it at the time tho because it is not a very robust hand(ie play well calling) and the insta "gl" had me confused

For those of you who like happy endings, I won both hands - not sure I maximised my expectation tho

Hand 1 he had QJo. re Van Dices range calc can your intuition/experience make you attach a higher prob to those hands that make trips? From the speed and size of his river bet, I "felt" that he didnt have fh. I also didnt think he was folding -I know I only had 7 hands to go on but still

The C Kid wrote:

Again oppos stack size is very important, when oppo gets to 700 or so i tend to limp nearly all hands at 50/100 level apart from pushing obvious hands. Most players play really tight here and will allow you to limp all day, and then pass to a 1/2 pot on the flop.

I dont really understand why this is good - seems like you are giving them the initiative. I normally widen my range using sklansky-chubokov numbers when oppo gets to 7bb and i am big stack.

Samba

Personally, i don't see the need in calling the remaining 80% of the stack off with A9o, yes that's conservative but i feel there is still play to be had with 1500 stacks.

Players as you describe regularly open push small pairs once the blinds start to creep up and even more so if you have been very active throughout the game.

I don't like flipping coins for the loot, granted his range will include alot more than pairs and this does justify a call, i've no problem passing up this somewhat marginal call as you said yourself A9 is quite robust. I would never be thrilled making this call, as standard as it may be..... If you had a decent chip lead or were shortish stacked it becomes more of a snap call.

I would call most of the time but fold mostly when equally stacked, probably up to the 50-100 level.

I may give calling a go and see what ranges i run up against...still not happy about it