Water powered cars.

trentf

Another piece of technology kept from the public eye by the nwo is water powered cars. This technology exists and is workable however the oil companies and nwo want to keep humans reliant on oil thus they have stifled attempts to develop it en masse. To see this technology working and to get plans of how to build a working water powered engine yourself visit the following links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXZakmw0jEI&mode=related&search

for more information on how this actually works
visit http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/browse/srawofni/33693

Anyone with a few hundred spare for a car and a bit of automotive knowledge is directed to try this out for yourself.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

youtube url is ****ed up.....

and yeah, they do have water powered engines.. steam power it's called I think.

The world (humanity) is composed of diametrically opposed opposites of "good" and "bad" (define it anyway you want) where one side is obsessed with 'Power' and 'Greed' and subjugates our children for their OWN self interest; the other is intended to live the love of equality, sustainability and fight for PUBLIC civil and environmental rights.

HAH

I don't think you oughta be placing much trust in these people.

trentf

the level of anger by the people or things that dont want this information spread is not surprising. The links are working fine now.

Private Joker

Found this

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/09/pennsylvania-ma.html

this should really be in green issues, apoligies.

Ciaran500

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_FCHV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buNjfuVicyo

Yep, all being completely suppressed. ¬_¬

Jocksereire

yep suppressed alright
http://pesn.com/2006/04/13/9600257_Bill_Williams_threatened/

i saw a documentary on an energy cell years ago on channel 4. wasnt sure if it was the joe cell though. Pretty interesting stuff
http://www.nutech2000.com/webtext/joecell/stevens/comXtexjoe1.htm
http://www.energygrid.com/science/2002/as-joecell.html
http://www.nutech2000.com/webtext/joecell/howdoesitwork.html

i agree this shouldnt be in the conspiracy thread though......science maybe????

meglome

So are we saying these cars run on hydrogen? (Didn't read the links) Wasn't that always the crux of the problem that it takes as much energy to extract the hydrogen than you get from it? And seriously would the oil companies not just sell this technology themselves if it was ready for production? Oil is getting more and more expensive to extract so would it not make sense for them to move into other areas for more profit?

You'll forgive me here but as someone who watches Mythbusters regulary, every single energy device/system they have got from the internet has not worked at all. (Unless I've missed some shows). Oh wait they must be part of the NWO too. (BTW I'm not suggesting the oil companies are not bastards)

Mahatma coat

the oil companies are not goin to build a car that canrun on water, who would buy petrol, theres a good link to the OS thingy he talks about in the video, it not about the engine, you have to get past that point its aboutthe fuel that you put in the engine notg the engine itself,thatfuel is generated by the device from water and havin read a bit about this here and there it seems to make sense, that said I've downloaded their howto booklet and I mayspend a weekend in the shed puttin one together sometime

Owen

The issue with getting hyrdogen from water, is that it's quite an exhaustive process to do it. You need a catalyst to make the chemical reaction happen (Aluminium will do IIRC), and a mechanism for feeding the catalyst through the 'water carburettor'. It's not energt efficient, and the horsepower returns are poor for the initial investment.

Mahatma coat

yeah but thee boyos are claimin that the catlyst is a kinda electromagnetic standing wave and that we're not really breakin down the hydrogen but drawin from the 'cosmos' for want f a better word, dunno seems to merit further scrutiny.

bonkey

It certainly merits learning some more science if you put faith in such claims.

No doubt, though, beleevers in this con will also tell you that science is a lie, designed to keep us enslaved.

Its hokum. Complete and utter con-artist snake-oil.

Consider : the people who make the claims about how this stuff is being suppressed are somehow able to learn just enough to be convinced, and are able to spread their word freely, but at the same time we're supposed to believe in some ueber-arching conspiracy which is suppressing the knowledge of this stuff and that tehre's a how-to on the internet!

No doubt, at some point, you'll discover that the truth can be yours for only $20.

Mahatma coat

See Bonkey its that sort of attitude that perpetuates the conspiracy, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I have spent the evenin readin about their proposed Zero Point Energy machines, Stuf that was patented as early as the 1800's that can be replicated and tested for yourself. I intend to either make one of these or a fuelcell for one a me cars over the next few weeks. then I will KNOW whether it works or not.

I for one would rather examine theories like this with an open mind and subject the hypothesis to the full rigours of the scientific process than to glibly dismiss it out of hand as Hokum because it makes me feel all smug and superior to the tinfoilhatbrigade.

do you understand the science behind these claims?

Can you explain to me why it wont work?

did you miss the bit in the video about it being anOpenSource project?

and $20 is a veryreasonable price for the Truth !

Owen

Mahatma coat wrote:

yeah but thee boyos are claimin that the catlyst is a kinda electromagnetic standing wave and that we're not really breakin down the hydrogen but drawin from the 'cosmos' for want f a better word, dunno seems to merit further scrutiny.

Electromagnetic Standing Wave? Drawing energy from the Cosmos? ZPMs? Okaaaay. There's a monumental difference between science and science fiction. But if you manage to create a Zero Point Module at home which draws power from a parallel universe, then I will definitely be impressed, and terrified at the backlash from the inhabitants of said universe getting pissed at you messing with their space time.

There's such a thing as having a mind that's so open to possibilities (Or Psuedo-Science), that your brain falls out.

It is possible, right now, for anyone with decent workshop capabilities to build a water carburettor. It's completely inefficient to actually run one.

bonkey

Mahatma coat wrote:

See Bonkey its that sort of attitude that perpetuates the conspiracy,

No...my disbelief is not what perpetuates the conspiracy.

I intend to either make one of these or a fuelcell for one a me cars over the next few weeks. then I will KNOW whether it works or not.

Actually, I doubt it. If it fails, you won't know whether thats because you did something wrong, because The Man [tm] has seekritly altered the online plans to prevent them for working, because of some other excuse, or because you were conned.

do you understand the science behind these claims?

Relatively well, yes. I've also asked people well-qualified in the relevant areas (right down to quantum physics) to clarify some stuff for me. There is unanimity - its a load of toss.

Can you explain to me why it wont work?

You can find such explanations on the web just as easily as you can find charlatans willing to sell you the truth. If you really want to approach this scientifically, then the onus is on you to research both sides of the claim. You've already written me off as a disbeliever, so I'm not a good source.

But I'll give you a start.

Zero Point Energy is a bastardisation of Quantum Wave Theory where certain waves have a lowest point which is non-zero in value. It focusses people on the non-zero bit, just like I'm doing, and argues with much handwaving and mumbo-jumbo that we can get free energy by going from non-zero to zero. Once enough handwaving, appeals to mysticism and the rest (probably including some bassy music if its a youTube video) and repetititions of non-zero have been made, they'll be confident enough that you'll have ignored the bit where they said (if they said at all) that its a lowest point. To get from there to zero, scientifically, you need to add energy. This is known. This is tested. This is - as much as is possible with science - proven.

Hobbes

Mahatma coat wrote:

I have spent the evenin readin about their proposed Zero Point Energy machines, Stuf that was patented as early as the 1800's

You can't patent perpetual motion machines (which zero point energy would be) unless you supply the patent office with a fully working model for them to review.

To date no one has. The only one I know in recent history to try is Steorn and they still haven't proven they have a perpetual motion machine.

do you understand the science behind these claims?

Actually a quick read up on what "Zero point energy" means. Basically at the very quantum level there is tiny point of energy that can never be removed from the system. As it can't be removed, it can't be utilized either.

Can you explain to me why it wont work?

The issue is that it doesn't or not. You will find a lot of these systems work. For example there was one in Idaho a few years back that used water to create "free, clean energy".

The problem is that in order to create energy from water you have to spend energy and according to the laws of thermodynamics it is impossible to get more energy back then what you put in. In fact it is almost nearly impossible to get exactly the same amount of energy you put in as you got back.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed from one form to another.

So the only energy you could get from water is electrolysis, which is using a current to seperate the oxygen and hydrogen then burning the results. All of which takes more energy then what you would get back from it.

Mahatma coat

See thats the thing its not drawin power from a paralel universe, its using power that exists in our universe according to the theories postulated. I have read a bit about these devices before and they seem plausible,that said I'm headin out to a mates workshop over the weekend to have a look at a JoeCell that he has built to run his nissan. will get some photos/videos of it in action. then We'll have a look at these ZPM's and see what the story is.

my mind is open alright but not at the expense of logic and common sense, and common sense tells me not to dismiss things without investigating whether or not the claim has merit.

yes it is possible tobuild a 'water carburettor' My aAte says that his JoeCell is efficent to run, especialy since the fuelsource is tapwater

Hobbes

Mahatma coat wrote:

See thats the thing its not drawin power from a paralel universe, its using power that exists in our universe according to the theories postulated.

Can you list what theories you are talking about? I would be interested to see which one breaks the laws of thermodynamics.

Mahatma coat

Yes, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from one form to another, the theory is that the energy already exists around us and we're just tappin into it.

I initially became interested in this concept having read a brief Biography of Tesla and his take on it

Mahatma coat

This is the site that was linked to in the original Video


http://panaceauniversity.org

have a look, make up yer own mind, there is a lot of stuff there about Patents for devices too

bonkey

Hobbes wrote:

For example there was one in Idaho a few years back that used water to create "free, clean energy".

Isn't there one of those in Ardnacrusha too?

Mahatma Coat wrote:

I have read a bit about these devices before and they seem plausible,

Who wrote what you read? Skeptics? Neutral third-parties? "Converts" to the cause?

Hobbes

Mahatma coat wrote:

This is the site that was linked to in the original Video


http://panaceauniversity.org

have a look, make up yer own mind, there is a lot of stuff there about Patents for devices too

Like I said can you list the exact scientific theory you said that.

As for the patents stuff as I said already the USPO will not patent perpetual motion machines. Looking at just patent 58 (in google patents) it is not a ZPM machine. It is a dynamo.

All the other links are not ZPM/Perpetual motion machines. Just more efficient ways of stopping loss of energy but none break thermodynamics.

trentf

In terms of the theory behind all of this. People would look at it and say oh thats impossible based on the knowledge level they have which the nwo controls to a certain point. With the advent of the internet theories and ideas which would seem insane and outlandish and proving to have significant merit behind are being spread and propagated. For example someone mentioning energy cannot be created or destroyed. The very idea is based on a theory someone else had that that person was then told. I guess the best way to look at this is if you can actually experiement with this technology and see the results for yourself if possible. Thats really the only way people are going to believe it.

All that people should do is keep an open mind about the material in my opinion until proven otherwise. There is a lot of research going on about this at the moment as seen on the http://panaceauniversity.org/ website. If nothing else it is very interesting and the potential of such technologies(if allowed to develop) are amazing.

Hobbes

trentf wrote:

With the advent of the internet theories and ideas which would seem insane and outlandish and proving to have significant merit behind are being spread and propagated. For example someone mentioning energy cannot be created or destroyed. The very idea is based on a theory someone else had that that person was then told.

Internet theories? You mean some random person put up a webpage on vs a set of scientific provable standards that describe pretty much how everything we use day to day works?

I guess the best way to look at this is if you can actually experiement with this technology and see the results for yourself if possible. Thats really the only way people are going to believe it.

Correct and I don't see any scientific proof to date that proves it. Certainly that website has no such information.

Mahatma coat

Tellys pick up static when you turn them on right, hows about a machine that can polarise that static pass it through a capacitance and generate a useable potential difference which is of greater output than the input power required to power the machine?

Hobbes

Mahatma coat wrote:

Tellys pick up static when you turn them on right,

It isn't static. It is background radio noise.

hows about a machine that can polarise that static

As it isn't static it has no polar charge. So you can't.

pass it through a capacitance and generate a useable potential difference which is of greater output than the input power required to power the machine?

I see where your little jump of logic is going. You would be better trying to equate it to a wind turbine. This still isn't ZPM/Perpetual motion.

Lets pretend that such a system would work. The radio noise is still finite source. You could turn that energy into different energy but you would never get back more energy then what you are feeding in.

Btw, I am sure a scientist could explain it better as I understand it Radio waves would not have much energy at all. If they did we would be bursting into flames.

Owen

Mahatma coat wrote:

Tellys pick up static when you turn them on right, hows about a machine that can polarise that static pass it through a capacitance and generate a useable potential difference which is of greater output than the input power required to power the machine?

I'm sorry, my head just aslpoded with the level of ignorance of science and tech in the above post. I won't be on boards for a while until I can source, and install a new head.

Mahatma coat

OK Hobbes its background noise, aint that the same as cosmic radiation as in its all around us, we cant see it, we know its there,
we'd like to tap it,ths may be how

might not be, but its wortha look

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote:

OK Hobbes its background noise, aint that the same as cosmic radiation as in its all around us, we cant see it, we know its there,
we'd like to tap it,ths may be how

might not be, but its wortha look

Okay you build the "capacitance", we'll wait patiently for your results.

popinfresh

I remember attempting to read up on this a few years ago.

The nearest thing to a 'plausable' explanation I could decypher from the endless amount of poor quality videos circulating google and youtube was as follows.

Normal DC electrolosis does require you to put in more energy than you would produce using the generated hydrogen.
But the result is different with high frequency alternating current. (In the Kiloheartz range).
It was argued that using AC in electrolosis simply puts the water under a condition whereby seperation of hydrogen and oxygen is more probable to occur 'naturally'.
The analogy given was that AC current can travel further than DC current over electricity lines,
By this logic, an electricity line (conductor) carrying AC voltges, is put under a 'condition' where it can transfer electricity more efficiently (for want of a better word) than the 'condition' with respect to DC flow.

That was the last 'potentially interesting' thing I can remember before I gave up.
I am not saying any of that with confidence. I encourage anyone to bebunk that if you know how to. I can't. But in fairness, I was simply too lazy to look any further into the topic

oscarBravo

Hobbes wrote:

Btw, I am sure a scientist could explain it better as I understand it Radio waves would not have much energy at all. If they did we would be bursting into flames.

Not a scientist, but I work with radio waves for a living.

To give you some idea: the wireless broadband equipment I use can function with a received signal strength of 0.00000000001 watts.

So no: radio waves don't have much energy.

oscarBravo

popinfresh wrote:

The analogy given was that AC current can travel further than DC current over electricity lines,
By this logic, an electricity line (conductor) carrying AC voltges, is put under a 'condition' where it can transfer electricity more efficiently (for want of a better word) than the 'condition' with respect to DC flow.

Flawed analogy.

The reason AC is used for long-distance transfer of electricity is that it's easy to transform to a high voltage (the highest used in Ireland for the main grid backbone is 400,000 volts). Because V=IR, the higher the voltage, the lower the current.

A high current causes the wires to heat up and waste energy. Because of the high voltage and low current, less energy is wasted in transmission.

Ashla

oscarBravo wrote:

Flawed analogy.

The reason AC is used for long-distance transfer of electricity is that it's easy to transform to a high voltage (the highest used in Ireland for the main grid backbone is 400,000 volts). Because V=IR, the higher the voltage, the lower the current.

A high current causes the wires to heat up and waste energy. Because of the high voltage and low current, less energy is wasted in transmission.

Ever looked into copper? Might solve all!

Sea Sharp

Ashla wrote:

Ever looked into copper? Might solve all!

My best bet would be to try and comprehend the skin effect:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect

Maybe that could trigger chain reactions like that of a nuclear bomb. Chain reactions splitting the water into hydrogen and oxygen.

meglome

trentf wrote:

In terms of the theory behind all of this. People would look at it and say oh thats impossible based on the knowledge level they have which the nwo controls to a certain point. With the advent of the internet theories and ideas which would seem insane and outlandish and proving to have significant merit behind are being spread and propagated. For example someone mentioning energy cannot be created or destroyed. The very idea is based on a theory someone else had that that person was then told. I guess the best way to look at this is if you can actually experiement with this technology and see the results for yourself if possible. Thats really the only way people are going to believe it.

All that people should do is keep an open mind about the material in my opinion until proven otherwise. There is a lot of research going on about this at the moment as seen on the http://panaceauniversity.org/ website. If nothing else it is very interesting and the potential of such technologies(if allowed to develop) are amazing.

So what you're saying is I was wrong to dismiss the existence of the tooth fairy. I mean really I so wanted her to exist so she must.

The only place I've seen some of these 'energy saving' devices tested was Mythbusters. And ALL of them either didn't work whatsoever or used more energy/fuel. Oh but I forgot the NWO for some reason doesn't want to make even more money by licensing these technologies to everyone.

Capt'n Midnight

Water powered cars, and then mentions fuel cells. that's a bit like saying existing cars run on soda water because the exhaust is water and carbon dioxide.

Hydrogen is a non-runner for now, as it's only a way to store energy.

Air powered cars on the other hand...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4217016.html

The $12,700 CityCAT, one of a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and has a range of 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it should cost around $2 to fill the car’s carbon-fiber tanks with 340 liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers also will be able to plug into the electrical grid and use the car’s built-in compressor to refill the tanks in about 4 hours.

The fact that it can be refulled in a few minutes wipes the electric car, in fact you could put a turbine or solar panel on it so it would fill the tanks while parked
Actually the car would probably run on compressed CO2 as well, filling the tank with liquid CO2 might increase the speed of filling up.

Of course if you are an early adaptor you might be able to use the "free air" for a short while before the garages cop on