Ruling question

Dr_Colossus

Hi all
This is an interesting one. In the Jackpot 300+20 on the second level 50/100. Player in mid position raises to 300 and one caller, I was on the SB and folded. BB then looks at his cards and discovers he has only one. What should happen is this instance?
What if this was later in the tournament where the blinds are a large percentage of a players stack. What would people's views on this be, haven't come across it before.
Thanks

5starpool

He can play the hand out with one card if he wishes I believe. Too much action has taken place for it to be a redeal, and he is not entitled to receive another card. If he were the button, then he would be entitled to get the top card off the deck as it is his one anyways.

RoundTower

I think his hand should be dead, but if he was the button he could have the top card. Same ruling if the blinds were bigger/stacks were smaller.

Clareman

as far as I am aware (apologies if I am completely wrong) but it is each players responsibility to ensure that they have cards to play with when it comes around to them, as the player is the big blind "technically" he is the second person to act, as the play would have passed him out without bringing attention to the lack of cards then the game goes on as is, if he brought it to the dealers attention at the correct time I believe he has the option of a redeal or not

DeVore

I've seen this happen in the Fitz. The hand is dead. The player should have brought it to the dealers attention before anyone started betting. This is to stop angle shooting where he sits and says nothing hoping to get a walk and if he doesnt get a walk he objects and gets a redeal. Bold!

Once there is significant action his hand is dead. If he was button he can be given the top card as there is no material difference but this is the only exception to my knowledge.

The overarching rule is that players should never have control or input into the decision of whether or when a redeal occurs as it allows for angle shooting.

DeV.

Ace2007

so for players in the blinds, who may not look at their cards until its there turn - their hand is dead?

Clareman

Ace2007 wrote:

so for players in the blinds, who may not look at their cards until its there turn - their hand is dead?

I didn't think there was a rule that they couldn't look at their cards before it's their turn

kakak1

Ace2007 wrote:

so for players in the blinds, who may not look at their cards until its there turn - their hand is dead?

once 2 actions have taken place there cannot be a misdeal. It's a players (in this case the BB) choice if he waits to look at his cards until everyone else has acted.

BUT, if you're from Waterford, and good enough, you can win the hand with NO cards

RoundTower

DeVore wrote:

The overarching rule is that players should never have control or input into the decision of whether or when a redeal occurs as it allows for angle shooting.

this is important

mrflash

DeVore wrote:

I've seen this happen in the Fitz. The hand is dead. The player should have brought it to the dealers attention before anyone started betting. This is to stop angle shooting where he sits and says nothing hoping to get a walk and if he doesnt get a walk he objects and gets a redeal. Bold!

Once there is significant action his hand is dead. If he was button he can be given the top card as there is no material difference but this is the only exception to my knowledge.


The overarching rule is that players should never have control or input into the decision of whether or when a redeal occurs as it allows for angle shooting.
DeV.

Yeah that seems right, and bb is second to get dealt so he has no excuse for not realising before action begins.

DeVore

Ace2007 wrote:

so for players in the blinds, who may not look at their cards until its there turn - their hand is dead?

They can count the backs of 2 cards all the same , right?

DeV.

Dr_Colossus

Thanks for the replies. The tournament director did declare the BB hand dead and mucked it and play did continue between the remaining players. I agree that you can't have a redeal since significant action has already taken place however I would have thought that the BB would have the option to play the hand with his one remaining card. What if there were no raises and a number of people had limped, the BB could still flop trips or quads with his one remaining card and since it's holdem he could also just play the board.
I agree it's the players responsibility to ensure they have the correct cards and it's ultimately their own fault but thought it was interesting none the less to get peoples views as to why the hand is declared dead rather than have the option of playing one card.

5starpool

I remember a couple of cases in the Fitz, in Omaha, that after the hand began a player noticed he had only 3 cards, but the ruling was that he was allowed to play with 3 cards. This happened 6 months or more ago. One of these times, a player was absolutely steaming from a previous hand, amanged to shove his 600 tank in blind preflop on his 3 cards and ended up winning a monster multi way pot of more than 2k.

gosplan

rather odd I know but can player say nothing and play on?

It'd never happen but if someone bluffed you out of a pot and then declared that they only had one card, is this ok?