The Campanile

tolosenc

How's it pronounced?

Camp-a-nee-lay

or

Camp-a-Nile(as in the river)

or other...

Pet

Camp-a-kneel.

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Camp-a-nile.

Crash

Everyone pronounces it Camp-a-nile.

It should be pronounced Camp-a-nee-lay.

same way everyone mispronounces the berkely library.

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&#231 wrote: »

Everyone pronounces it Camp-a-nile.

It should be pronounced Camp-a-nee-lay.

Source? I've heard Fellows refer to it as Camp-a-nile. Aren't both acceptable, and therefore the intention of the College/architect be considered?

same way everyone mispronounces the berkely library.

And mis-spells it.

ilovemybrick

"camp-a-nee-lay" is the correct pronunciation of the written word campanile.
as to the pronunciation of the structure opposite front arch surely it is a matter of tradition as to how it is pronounced so in trinity i pronounce it the way i heard it first ie. campaneel and in reference to the bell-towers that are features of architecture in general i pronounce the word "camp-a-nee-lay".

Nehpets

Has pronunciation on http://www.answers.com/campanile

europerson

In College I say Camp-a-nile, but in architectural terms I say Camp-a-nee-lay.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

In college I've only ever heard it referred to as Campa-nee-lay, and therefore I've only referred to it thus...

Crash

Ibid wrote:

Source? I've heard Fellows refer to it as Camp-a-nile. Aren't both acceptable, and therefore the intention of the College/architect be considered?

And mis-spells it.

Was just into work smartass its an architectural feature, there is only one way to pronounce it right anyhow - doesnt mean we do (or that I do) but still makes it the correct pronunciation

tolosenc

I just wanted to be sure I didn't sound like a dope in my infant weeks on campus. Now I'm more confused. Camp-a-nee-lay it is, being the correct Italian pronounciation...

Attractive Nun

&#231 wrote: »

same way everyone mispronounces the berkely library.

How is it supposed to be pronounced? Barkley?

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My argument, which I think europerson convinced me of a while back, is that there are two acceptable pronunciations of it. Much like "either" = "e-thur" or "i-thur". I'm not contesting that camp-a-nee-lay is the most-common pronunciation of the architectural design; but as far as I know Trinity calls it by its alternative, acceptable pronunciation.

ApeXaviour

Nehpets wrote:

Has pronunciation on http://www.answers.com/campanile

The sound bite there has a bloke pronouncing it camp-a-nee-lee...

Are ye all wrong?


For the record I've only ever heard people pronounce it camp-a-nile and so that's how I refer to it.

ilovemybrick

Ibid wrote:

My argument, which I think europerson convinced me of a while back, is that there are two acceptable pronunciations of it. Much like "either" = "e-thur" or "i-thur". I'm not contesting that camp-a-nee-lay is the most-common pronunciation of the architectural design; but as far as I know Trinity calls it by its alternative, acceptable pronunciation.

yes yes

Kwekubo

Ok, this looks like a job for the OED & the International Phonetic Alphabet:

Little Oxford Dictionary wrote:

campanile /kæmpə'ni:lɪ/ noun bell tower, usually free standing.

So roughly "camp-uh-knee-lih". My dad always called it the "camp-uh-nile" though so that sounds much more normal to me.

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Who wants to email the Building Office?

Crash

from previous experience, I could make a guess at which hole buildings would tell you to put it in, and it wouldnt be one in the wall :P

Cantab.

Ibid wrote:

Who wants to email the Building Office?

Since when is the "Buildings Office" an authority on these things? Those administrators haven't got a clue about Trinity's history - they're only interested in their fat pay cheques every month.

You'd be better off asking someone like Trevor West (or R.B. McDowell) who could, I'm sure, answer any questions on the Campanile instantly.

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Cantab. wrote:

"Buildings Office"

Typo on my behalf.

Since when is the "Buildings Office" an authority on these things?

I'm not sure since when; when were they founded?

Those administrators haven't got a clue about Trinity's history - they're only interested in their fat pay cheques every month.

God forbid administrative staff working for money. I find your attitude to be incorrect in any and all of the dealing I've had with the Buildings Office. Those that I have come across, and this is true for europerson as well, have been well-up on the history of the College.

You'd be better off asking someone like Trevor West (or R.B. McDowell) who could, I'm sure, answer any questions on the Campanile instantly.

Ah yes, rely purely on the academics. Good idea. How often does RB check his email, anyway?

Cantab.

Ibid wrote:

Typo on my behalf.

I'm not sure since when; when were they founded?

God forbid administrative staff working for money. I find your attitude to be incorrect in any and all of the dealing I've had with the Buildings Office. Those that I have come across, and this is true for europerson as well, have been well-up on the history of the College.

Ah yes, rely purely on the academics. Good idea. How often does RB check his email, anyway?

Well maybe you should go off and email the Buildings' Office then. That's what they're there for - to serve the needs of academia (including students).

McDowell is guaranteed to give you a much more precise (and humourous) answer to your little question than any salary servant from the Buildings' Office.

Modern-day Trinity students need to step up and take responsibility for their own university and not let administrative rats run all over the place. They're eating College from the inside: look at how much plumbers earn compared to PhD researchers, look at the working hours and salaries of certain administrators in their nice offices with a view, look at the dingy facilities for postgraduates and researchers, look at the corrupt contracts that are handed out, look at the state of the undergraduate facilities, etc. Students' subservient attitude towards the College administration needs to stop - it's like a Leaving Cert applied these days.

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Cantab. wrote:

Well maybe you should go off and email the Buildings' Office then. That's what they're there for - to serve the needs of academia (including students).

Maybe I should. Incidentally it's not called the Buildings' Office, as is it not (as far as I know) in the possession of any set of buildings. I'm quite sure you'll dispute this, so I will link you to committee paper minutes where you can see, on the first page, this small detail that really and truly should be clarified-nay, stressed!-on such a thread.

McDowell is guaranteed to give you a much more precise (and humourous) answer to your little question than any salary servant from the Buildings' Office.

I'm not sure how much more precise you can get than "Camp-a-nile" etc.. I'm not seeking humour at the moment, but thanks for the advice.

Modern-day Trinity students need to step up and take responsibility for their own university and not let administrative rats run all over the place.

Yes, we need to go back to the days where College employed servants to clean out our fireplaces. Progress ahead, Provost Hegarty!

They're eating College from the inside: look at how much plumbers earn compared to PhD researchers

Surely this has more to do with the market economy rather than "administrative rats"? I wonder how much the headliners of the Freshers' Ball will earn this year. More than a PhD researcher, I'd say.

look at the working hours and salaries of certain administrators in their nice offices with a view, look at the dingy facilities for postgraduates and researchers

Yes, in fact I think an overall College administrative re-structuring needs to be implemented immediately. Oh, hang on...

look at the corrupt contracts that are handed out

Please provide one sample, dearest pisser on the cornflakes of the Campanile thread.

look at the state of the undergraduate facilities

I think this is far more to do with government funding and a lack of student fees more than these administrative rats or the cost of plumbers.

Students' subservient attitude towards the College administration needs to stop - it's like a Leaving Cert applied these days.

Even worse, it's like Junior Cert CSPE. Since when are students subservient in their attitudes? I could have sworn they were merely apathetic. Thank you for your usually incisive and enlightening addition.

Cantab.

Ibid wrote:

Maybe I should. Incidentally it's not called the Buildings' Office, as is it not (as far as I know) in the possession of any set of buildings. I'm quite sure you'll dispute this, so I will link you to committee paper minutes where you can see, on the first page, this small detail that really and truly should be clarified-nay, stressed!-on such a thread.

Woopee do. Do you honestly think you can decipher what's really going on from publicly released minutes?

Ibid wrote:

I'm not sure how much more precise you can get than "Camp-a-nile" etc.. I'm not seeking humour at the moment, but thanks for the advice.

Maybe you should ask the incoming President of the Knights of the Campanile? They'll be having their late-night initiation ceremony up there pretty soon.

Ibid wrote:

Yes, we need to go back to the days where College employed servants to clean out our fireplaces. Progress ahead, Provost Hegarty!

Well at least back then, they actually did what they were employed to do. Nowadays the administrators are hardly in the place and have taken over all the nice offices. E.g. look at DUCAC's opening hours: a joke.

Ibid wrote:

Surely this has more to do with the market economy rather than "administrative rats"? I wonder how much the headliners of the Freshers' Ball will earn this year. More than a PhD researcher, I'd say.

Trinity serves society by providing with it with a body of academics. In order for Trinity to do this at the highest level, we need an efficient support system in place - not the bloated cronyism that currently exists.

Ibid wrote:

Yes, in fact I think an overall College administrative re-structuring needs to be implemented immediately. Oh, hang on...

Let's not get started on that one. I feel that we must only embark on a grand reform with proper regard to the history and precedence of this fine institution.

Ibid wrote:

Please provide one sample, dearest pisser on the cornflakes of the Campanile thread.

Well, well, well... Let's just say, it's no coincidence many a major project around college has been awarded to a select few companies.

Ibid wrote:

I think this is far more to do with government funding and a lack of student fees more than these administrative rats or the cost of plumbers.

Why is it then that administrators are sitting in the nice offices? What about the students and academic staff? I don't see why we can't just build a 10-storey admin building on the An Post site.

Ibid wrote:

Even worse, it's like Junior Cert CSPE. Since when are students subservient in their attitudes? I could have sworn they were merely apathetic. Thank you for your usually incisive and enlightening addition.

Yeah, apathetic because they don't care - all they are concerned about is 'ticking the box' and having a 'good CV'. Woopee do. You can go to any institute of technology for a qualification, but in order to get a proper Trinity education, you must immerse yourself in all that university has to offer and not just jump on the half past five commuter train after a hard day in the lab.

Nehpets

Guys.. you know that this thread is about the pronunciation of a word?

Right?

Just putting that out there.

/duck + runs away

Tricity Bendix

Cantab. wrote:

Woopee do

Actually, its Woopdeedoo.

paperclip

And here I was thinking it was 'whoopiedeedoo'.

I stand corrected.

Crash

...who the hell says "whoopie"dee doo?

...freaks.

europerson

Here's me thinking it was "woohoo".

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Cantab. wrote:

Woopee do.

Despite arguments to the contrary, I think this was one of the more coherent parts of your post.

Do you honestly think you can decipher what's really going on from publicly released minutes?

I don't see how this is relevant. Are you suggestion the minutes are a typo?

Maybe you should ask the incoming President of the Knights of the Campanile? They'll be having their late-night initiation ceremony up there pretty soon.

A Knight I know refers to it as the Knights of the Camp-a-nile. And he says the late-night initiation ceremony means meeting there in the afternoon and going somewhere else. Sure this tradition you speak of is true?

Well at least back then, they actually did what they were employed to do. Nowadays the administrators are hardly in the place and have taken over all the nice offices. E.g. look at DUCAC's opening hours: a joke.

Administration staff still do what they're employed to do. Part of this is back-room administration and some of it is front-office administration.

Trinity serves society by providing with it with a body of academics. In order for Trinity to do this at the highest level, we need an efficient support system in place - not the bloated cronyism that currently exists.

So we should embark on a re-structuring scheme?

Let's not get started on that one. I feel that we must only embark on a grand reform with proper regard to the history and precedence of this fine institution.

So we should embark on a re-structuring scheme?

I ask this because your complaint was proffered several years ago and the Provost acted (what he felt was) accordingly. The difference to the College's administrative affairs? Negligible, as you admit yourself. The difference to the College's financial affairs? Negligible.

Well, well, well... Let's just say, it's no coincidence many a major project around college has been awarded to a select few companies.

No, let's not. Provide some evidence. I dare you back something you say up for once and then I challenge you to put effort in a grand reform against such cronyism.

Why is it then that administrators are sitting in the nice offices? What about the students and academic staff? I don't see why we can't just build a 10-storey admin building on the An Post site.

This may well be your problem; you have absolutely no insight into how administrative services work. How are you qualified to dictate policy on such matters?

Yeah, apathetic because they don't care - all they are concerned about is 'ticking the box' and having a 'good CV'. Woopee do. You can go to any institute of technology for a qualification, but in order to get a proper Trinity education, you must immerse yourself in all that university has to offer and not just jump on the half past five commuter train after a hard day in the lab.

Any particular reason that a user whose homepage is listed as UCD.ie is telling us how to get a proper Trinity education?

ilovemybrick

i heart arguments on the interweb.

The Knights I know call it camp-uh-nile-roysh

I'm going with them on this, after all, they are the knights!

sdep

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The Knights I know call it camp-uh-nile-roysh

I'm going with them on this, after all, they are the knights!

Indeed - The Knights who say "Nile!"