Humour me-tournylolhands in lukes.lol.

jbravado

We have formed the final table and are playing 9 handed.
I have 17k average stack is 33k+.The blinds are 500 1000 with a 100 running ante.Top 5 paid-real money top 3 as per and this is the target

Utg +1 30k raises to 4k(appears to be a solid player have been on his table the whole time and he really hasnt been out of line at all-he does appear to be opening his range a little though)
One fold.
Boardsie chopper 30k+ afaik calls with almost no delay-his range preflop is pretty wide maybe sooted broadway medium pair etc.

Im next to act and look down at 88.


Easypeasylemonsquezy?Action.

Apologies if this is horrifically standard.

ollyk1

jbravado wrote:

We have formed the final table and are playing 9 handed.
I have 17k average stack is 33k+.The blinds are 500 1000 with a 100 running ante.Top 5 paid-real money top 3 as per and this is the target

Utg +1 30k raises to 4k(appears to be a solid player have been on his table the whole time and he really hasnt been out of line at all-he does appear to be opening his range a little though)
One fold.
Boardsie chopper 30k+ afaik calls with almost no delay-his range preflop is pretty wide maybe sooted broadway medium pair etc.

Im next to act and look down at 88.


Easypeasylemonsquezy?Action.

Apologies if this is horrifically standard.

Well we're not flat calling for obvious reasons.

I don't think you have have a huge amount of fold equity. You are overrepresenting your hand here if you push. You might create a situation with some dead money and coin flip or be dominated. Easy enough fold for me.

This is not a time to be going for the win imo. There are generally enough opportunities at FT's of a weak general standard and decent structure that we don't need to be pushing in spots with little or no FE.

The_Chopper

jbravado wrote:

Boardsie chopper 30k+ afaik calls with almost no delay-his range preflop is pretty wide maybe sooted broadway medium pair etc.
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WHAT YOU GETTING AT? DO YOU THINK I AM LOOSE OR SOMETHING

I'd be more likely to call with 67s than suited broadway :rolleyes:

CaptainNemo

jbravado wrote:

We have formed the final table and are playing 9 handed.
I have 17k average stack is 33k+.The blinds are 500 1000 with a 100 running ante.Top 5 paid-real money top 3 as per and this is the target

Utg +1 30k raises to 4k(appears to be a solid player have been on his table the whole time and he really hasnt been out of line at all-he does appear to be opening his range a little though)
One fold.
Boardsie chopper 30k+ afaik calls with almost no delay-his range preflop is pretty wide maybe sooted broadway medium pair etc.

Im next to act and look down at 88.


Easypeasylemonsquezy?Action.

Apologies if this is horrifically standard.

I've busted out of a few tournaments in similar situations before learning to throw away hands like 77-99 or even TT when facing a raise and a call. Even though you're short stacked you still have time to wait for a better spot. If it was AK I'd push instantly.

LuckyLloyd

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jbravado

Thanks folks, crystal clear fold given the reasoning I suppose,Meh-Yeah I folded at the time after a small dwell-result based and all that jazz.

HeeHawsCantona

lol Lloyd you can be my bookmaker.
I think you'll find thats 1.3/1

Finally a bookmaker that I might be able to beat.

LuckyLloyd

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HeeHawsCantona

yes I'm an absolute pillock - at least that isn't as bad as the mistake I had last night when I had top run on the turn and a redraw to a straight flush and commited my stack (except the 5 cards were on the board) - I need more sleep - sorry Lloyd.

LuckyLloyd

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mdwexford

27,400 in the pot in he pushes and it will be 13k more to call unless im still asleep

LuckyLloyd

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jbravado

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

yes I'm an absolute pillock - at least that isn't as bad as the mistake I had last night when I had top run on the turn and a redraw to a straight flush and commited my stack (except the 5 cards were on the board) - I need more sleep - sorry Lloyd.

"Ive only one out so".:)

HeeHawsCantona

jbravado wrote:

"Ive only one out so".:)

priceless

RoundTower

I think this is a great spot to shove

LuckyLloyd

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jbravado

RoundTower wrote:

I think this is a great spot to shove

Why?

Im not sure theres any real dead money in there-I dont even think that a shove looks that strong really?

carfax

LuckyLloyd wrote:

no, no. I'm right.

nit picking here but he is right Lloyd.

paying 10,000 to win a total pot of 25,000 means you are getting 6/4 or 1.5/1 on your 10,000 investment.

Therefore paying 11,000 to win a total pot of 25,400 is about 1.3/1

On the likes of Betfair etc you would say you are backing at 2.3 but that just means 1.3/1


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Certain fold, if you're in the big blind/last to act and are shorter stacked you might have a decision to make.

mdwexford

carfax wrote:

nit picking here but he is right Lloyd.

paying 10,000 to win a total pot of 25,000 means you are getting 6/4 or 1.5/1 on your 10,000 investment.

Therefore paying 11,000 to win a total pot of 25,400 is about 1.3/1

On the likes of Betfair etc you would say you are backing at 2.3 but that just means 1.3/1


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Certain fold, if you're in the big blind/last to act and are shorter stacked you might have a decision to make.

Hes not right Stephen, Lloyd is right.
The pot is 27,400 if jbravado shoves and it will be 13,000 for them to make the call, 2.1/1

Edit actually Lloyd does have it wrong above, anyway the figures in my post are the correct odds for the above situation

LuckyLloyd

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mdwexford

Betfair have it priced so that your stake is included in the price.

10,000 to win a total pot of 25,000 means theres only 15k currently in the pot so your getting 6/4 on a call.

You dont include your own chips you're putting in to make the call when working out your odds.

Captain Tom

Lloyd is right.

sikes

On the face of it, it looks like a really simple shove.

Actually, its close enough, though I still lean towards shoving.

mdwexford

LuckyLloyd wrote:

11k to call with 14400 already in the middle. Therefore, pay 11k to win 25400. So 2.3 / 1.

That is not right Captain Tom

If its 11k to call with 14,400 in the middle your odds are 1.3/1

sikes

he is getting 1.3/1 or 2.3 decminal odds or 43.4%

Captain Tom

mdwexford wrote:

That is not right Captain Tom

If its 11k to call with 14,400 in the middle your odds are 1.3/1

sorry i just kinda skimmed through the thread a bit. isn't Lloyd arguing that both villians are getting 2.3/1 on the call and steven arguing they are getting 1.3/1?

Captain Tom

wait i mean 2.1/1.

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mdwexford

Villians would be getting 2.1/1 on a call yes.

But Lloyd said 11k to win 14.4k is odds of 2.3/1, it is not, its 1.3/1.
Anyway im sure this is just an oversight and this getting boring

LuckyLloyd

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LuckyLloyd

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ITT-Pat

hang on, surely he is getting 2.1/1 or 3.1 decminal odds or ~32%??

sikes

Yeah, you're right I didnt look at the numbers, I was just highlightling the difference.

robinlacey

i think this is a shove,in a live tournament you can't afford to be waiting around for hands since you get to see so few,if you get heads up against one guy and its a coinflip it'd be a great situation for you,sometimes you're dominated but then again sometimes they both fold,i'm not certain of the maths here but intuitively i feel this is a shove.

iBoT

jbravado i was on that final table aswell , are you the lad who folded jacks and showed them ?

Goodluck2me

robinlacey wrote:

i think this is a shove,in a live tournament you can't afford to be waiting around for hands since you get to see so few,if you get heads up against one guy and its a coinflip it'd be a great situation for you,sometimes you're dominated but then again sometimes they both fold,i'm not certain of the maths here but intuitively i feel this is a shove.

i think id agree here, im sure the first guy could be raising 22+ and KQ+ surely, and should only call with 99+ and AQ+, the second guy could call with such a wide range that he shouldnt be the one your worried about.

Hitman Actual

I agree that this looks close, but I think it's on the "fold" side of close. I'd expect a solid UTG+1 in the early stages of a final table in a local tourney to have a tighter range than what is being suggested. Of course, I'd expect him to fold a lot of hands for the same reasons as well, but meh.

jbravado

iBoT wrote:

jbravado i was on that final table aswell , are you the lad who folded jacks and showed them ?

No-dont think so.I was knocked out by Peter when I pushed a 10 hearts he had 10 10.

OK this hasnt really cleared things up at all-I FELT 88 was a big laydown but think were killed a lot of the time.As it played out I mucked behind me someone found ak and reraised utg+1 shipped it with qq.Chopper folded 1010.


I would have flopped top set.Baxtard.

jbravado

goodluck2me wrote:

the second guy could call with such a wide range that he shouldnt be the one your worried about.

I pretty much dismissed chopper as having a hand he could call a push with based on how quickly he acted.
We still have 4 people to act behind us surely this is a factor?

mormank

dismiss chopper as having no hand at your peril i reckon!!! he always has at least a draw :-) oh and push with 8's, its more fun and doesnt the 8 on the flop show that it would be the right move

cardshark202

If UTG is tight at all, this is a clear fold imo

iBoT

jbravado wrote:

No-dont think so.I was knocked out by Peter when I pushed a 10 hearts he had 10 10.

OK this hasnt really cleared things up at all-I FELT 88 was a big laydown but think were killed a lot of the time.As it played out I mucked behind me someone found ak and reraised utg+1 shipped it with qq.Chopper folded 1010.


I would have flopped top set.Baxtard.

ah yes that was your mate who folded that hand ,i would of pushed with 88 in that spot, you had feck all chips and the prize fund was very top heavy.

im the lad who ya folded qq on the first table by the way.

Hectorjelly

clear shove imo