Nutz

bottom feeder

Ok this is a full ring game 1-2PLH. My stack is about 700 at the start of this hand.

Im sitting on the button and everyone has limped into the pot for 2 yo yo's, my cards are 3 - 5o and i decide to limp also..??? so SB and BB complete.

Reads....

Player A is only at the table about half an hour and i have him down as a weak player - i played a hand against him already, he was on the button with QQ's and doesnt raise [already 6players in the hand] i was BB with KK and raise it the pot, i think everyone else folds and he then re-raises me to 75 and so i push and he calls saying im gambling, anyway he hits a set on the flop.

Player B is a very loose player and will play any 2cards, played with him lots in the SE and is a donktard.

Player C is a SE regular, he's a very solid player and to be honest he's my only concern, im thinking maybe a set.


Flop - 246 [two hearts]

Player A in the SB bets out 15, [stack 180ish]

Player B in the BB re-raises to 70ish, [stack 270]

Player C then re-raises again and is all in for about 160ish

ok so the action is on me and i have the 3 of these guys covered , im sitting there with the nuts and there has been a bet - a raise and a re-raise.

My question is do we get it all in here [calling is not an option] against all this action. there is a lot of re-draws out there and TBH im worried about my hand holding up.....

What do we do.....?

WTF_L2P_n00b

Insta-shove

LuckyLloyd

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Killme00

lol why isnt calling an option

bottom feeder

Lloyd i know this seems like an easy shove, but seriously i was worried about the 3 lads in there and been out drawn, as i mentioned in the OP i had been sucked out on already and i suppose i was only for 2euro after all.

Washout

bottom feeder wrote:

Lloyd i know this seems like an easy shove, but seriously i was worried about the 3 lads in there and been out drawn, as i mentioned in the OP i had been sucked out on already and i suppose i was only for 2euro after all.

If you start worrying about being sucked out in a cash game wes there is huge flawed thinking.

for one thing your opponents stacks arent even deep enough for a flat call.

Flushdraw

Wes...i dont think anything good is going to come out of this thread!

Absolutely worst case scenario is ...

pokenum -h 3c 5s - ah jh - 5h 7d - 6d 6s -- 2h 4h 6c
Holdem Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 6c 4h 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 3c 211 25.73 599 73.05 10 1.22 0.263
Ah Jh 191 23.29 629 76.71 0 0.00 0.233
7d 5h 107 13.05 703 85.73 10 1.22 0.137
6s 6d 301 36.71 519 63.29 0 0.00 0.367

LOL at killme asking why calling isnt an option!

ronanp

If you're reluctant to gamble when you flop the nuts, why are you at the table?

valor

lol

bottom feeder

for feck sake - im trying to be serious here and not impressed with the little snide remarks... :mad: :mad: :mad:

LuckyLloyd

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Flushdraw

bottom feeder wrote:

for feck sake - im trying to be serious here and not impressed with the little snide remarks... :mad: :mad: :mad:

Wes you have the nuts and 3 players betting into you....

Primewise

Flushdraw wrote:

Absolutely worst case scenario is ...

pokenum -h 3c 5s - ah jh - 5h 7d - 6d 6s -- 2h 4h 6c
Holdem Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 6c 4h 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 3c 211 25.73 599 73.05 10 1.22 0.263
Ah Jh 191 23.29 629 76.71 0 0.00 0.233
7d 5h 107 13.05 703 85.73 10 1.22 0.137
6s 6d 301 36.71 519 63.29 0 0.00 0.367

Im not familiar with this software (im guessing this is pokerstove??). could you explain these stats please?

What I get from this is that the straight is 25% to win in worst case scenario which is surprisingly low. They have about 21 outs against you combined which explains this.

What I don't understand about the stats is that all 4 hands have a positive "EV". How can this be? Surely the favourites are +VE and the underdogs should be -EV??

Killme00

Reach down between your legs and tell me what you feel, yes they are the brazillian walnuts, not quite the coconuts but good enough..stick it all

BigDragon

Primewise wrote:

Im not familiar with this software (im guessing this is pokerstove??). could you explain these stats please?

What I get from this is that the straight is 25% to win in worst case scenario which is surprisingly low. They have about 21 outs against you combined which explains this.

What I don't understand about the stats is that all 4 hands have a positive "EV". How can this be? Surely the favourites are +VE and the underdogs should be -EV??

The EV values here all add up to 1 so they are essentially a % value. They differ slightly to the %win because you have to add in the split pot % too.

ollyk1

All the action in this spot is a good thing Wes as they are likely blocking each other's redraws. For instance if someone has a set and someone else two pair then it's less likely that either of them fill a house. And it's also likely someone else has a pair and a draw which you could have blocked or they could be calling for a split at best.

If you are concerned about getting sucked out on after having already taken a beat then you should have the discipline to get up and walk away for the night as your head obviously isn't right (at that particular time) for playing cards.

In the cold light of day when you read back over this hand you should be wetting yourself with glee as you shove it in!!

Anyway the worse that can happen is you lose 270. I'd just be rueing the fact that they don't all have 700!!

ianmc38

lol wes

Flushdraw

Primewise wrote:

Im not familiar with this software (im guessing this is pokerstove??). could you explain these stats please?

What I get from this is that the straight is 25% to win in worst case scenario which is surprisingly low. They have about 21 outs against you combined which explains this.

What I don't understand about the stats is that all 4 hands have a positive "EV". How can this be? Surely the favourites are +VE and the underdogs should be -EV??

I used http://twodimes.net/poker/
In pokerstove you assign a range of hands, i just put in the 3 worst case scenario hands.

The stats are quite straight forward and BigD pointed out the difference between +EV and % win

jbravado

Troll.

No seriously Wes-you really cant be worried about a spot like this-what if its made 10-50-200-500-1200-and you cover?-if the money you could lose by getting outdrawn is in any way an issue you really are setting yourself up to lose.

This is the dream situation if you dont like playing so deep
then the answer is easy-bin city.;)

Mr.Plough

if it were omaha, is this a standard fold?

bottom feeder

ok ok i know i shouldnt be questioning spots like this but on a serious note the taught did cross my mind about actually folding but as Olly pointed i taught they'd be blocking one another. NOOoooo i didnt fold.

Player A & B both had flushdraws 'happy days' and player C had an over pair, i couldnt believe no one had a set.
Anyways the turn pairs the board with another 2 and the river is a bleep bleeping Heart. MEH

This thread should have been posted in the Bad Beat section, but i just wanted to throw it out there to see the reaction it got.

mrflash

Its a tough spot there, and i have had the experience before, its interesting that you say calling is not an option here, as i would say that if you read one of them for a set, you obviously don't want to see a paired board, and there is also a flush draw, and while we now know the result, i would be thinking about calling here and if no scare card (third suited card, paired board) arrives on the turn, then i shove, as a flush draw is less likely to call with only the river card left to be dealt.
It seems clear by the betting, that you are expecting two callers with a shove on the flop, so i don't know if it is a good idea. While you are very likely to get called by a weak player with an overpair, its a great spot for a nut flush draw to get involved as he is getting pot odds to call if its a three way pot. I have shoved with similar hands before and the hand will not hold up as much as one might expect, but lately i have changed my play in spots like this and wait for the turn, where a blank on the turn gives me greater chances of winning and saves me money if its a scare card. if you call and all the money goes in before it comes back around to you, then you have to call.

Flushdraw

mrflash wrote:

its interesting that you say calling is not an option here, as i would say that if you read one of them for a set, you obviously don't want to see a paired board, and there is also a flush draw, and while we now know the result, i would be thinking about calling here and if no scare card (third suited card, paired board) arrives on the turn, then i shove, as a flush draw is less likely to call with only the river card left to be dealt.
It seems clear by the betting, that you are expecting two callers with a shove on the flop, so i don't know if it is a good idea. While you are very likely to get called by a weak player with an overpair, its a great spot for a nut flush draw to get involved as he is getting pot odds to call if its a three way pot. I have shoved with similar hands before and the hand will not hold up as much as one might expect, but lately i have changed my play in spots like this and wait for the turn, where a blank on the turn gives me greater chances of winning and saves me money if its a scare card. if you call and all the money goes in before it comes back around to you, then you have to call.

You cant be for real mrflash...your thought process is ridiculous. Did you follow the hand....

Player A in the SB bets out 15, [stack 180ish]

Player B in the BB re-raises to 70ish, [stack 270]

Player C then re-raises again and is all in for about 160ish

So lets say Wes calls 160...Player A calls or pushes for 180....Do you honestly think that Player B is going to call 180 and then check/fold for another 90 if the flush doesnt come on the turn.

Wes pushing on the flop is a no-brainer, how you can try and advocate a call is beyond me

Wes folding to a heart on the turn would be even worse

RoundTower

You probably had some black chips when you played this hand. If you learn from this guy it will be easier to handle these awkward spots when you have more than 100BB.

bottom feeder

RoundTower wrote:

You probably had some black chips when you played this hand. If you learn from this guy it will be easier to handle these awkward spots when you have more than 100BB.

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Goodluck2me

lolcashgameaments

what if you had aces with the same action pre flop? easier fold obv as there are 5 cards that can beat you but you know...