Krav Maga

everreadyeddy

Hi,

I was wondering if I could get any information about the 2 day course offered by Patrick Cumiskey in dublin. http://www.kravmagaireland.com/ Has anybody done this before? what is it like? My biggest concern is only being a 2 day course, is it of much benifit. Obviously it will be very intense and would have to take in alot in a short period of time. I would be a total beginner, only having done boxing before.
Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Eddie

paddyc

Eddy


before the hoards get to ya... tis really up to you mate, come people on here swear by it some say its crap....

I reckon it depends on the individual its what you make of it...

Is KM any good?

In my opinion you have to be at it a long time for it to be spontaneous and work well fro you ( i might be wrong )

where as some thing like boxing, judo and a few others you only have to train at the for a couple of months and they will work easier for you....

How much is that course would you not get a brave while training in boxing for that money....

go on youtube and look at some videos and see if its what you want


tis up to tou mate and no one else


paddy

paxo

Eddie
A two day course will give you an overview of the system. Krav is like any other system you need to train in it on a regular basis before it become second nature
Paxo

Magic Eight Ball

I enjoyed the little KM I did with them, but like everything else, if you want to get real proficient at it, you’ll have to put more time in then just the weekend course.

Your not going to learn how to play a musical Instrument in a weekend, so why should self-defence or the fighting arts be any different?

Odysseus

As the others said its up to you mate. I trained with Patrick for about four and a half years and will be going back when the rest of my life settles down, so I guess that says something, but more about me.

There is the opportunity to train regularly with Pat so if you are going to do the weekend course ask about ongoing training. Best of luck with whatever you choose.

Baggio...

Try it out and see if you like it... Maybe drop "Millionaire" or "Odysseus" a PM as they are both very experienced KM guys.

As Paddy said there are quite a number polarized opinions on boards. I just hope this thread doesn't descend into more bickering.

Khannie

Baggio... wrote:

I just hope this thread doesn't descend into more bickering.

Ah come on....we haven't had a good bicker in ages! *














*not serious

kravist

Baggio... wrote:

Try it out and see if you like it... Maybe drop "Millionaire" or "Odysseus" a PM as they are both very experienced KM guys.

As Paddy said there are quite a number polarized opinions on boards. I just hope this thread doesn't descend into more bickering.

I'll put the hand up and admit that i've been as guilty of such bikering as any man! Even have a vague recollection of myself and yourself Baggio having a go...apologies!

However it's because i believe in the system thst is Krav Maga.
The weekends Patrick runs are an excellent introduction. All my initial training was done there.
What you need to remember is, as the others have advised....profiency comes with training, nothing else!
I disagree with paddyc (but respect the manner in which he voices his opinion!!)in the sense that after a couple of months proper training, like judo etc. the techniques should work for you. LIke everything else, there is always room for improvement....regardless on your level!

If you want to do it..go for it. If you consider it too expensive..once bitten!
if not..enjoy even more!

paddyc

looks like i the diplomat of boards


Kravist what i meant is ....

if i train judo for 4 months... i pretty much reckon that i can hip throw some fella if he grabbed me.... instinct would take over i have fought my brother and mates in this fashion since i was about 5 years old

I trained boxing for years and its the most natural sport for me because i threw big dirty right hands at my brother pretty much every day of my life... so i reckon that its a natural movement for me at this stage...

When i grew up ( thanksfully) i didnt have knives etc coming at me I didnt have to eye gouge my mates etc etc... so my point is that it will take time to become proficient in this style.....


surely kravist you can see that foro once i am making sense

thats not to discourage the original poster from going to pats place... I stand by my first post..

let the bickering begin

cowzerp

basically to get good at krav maga you will have to train regularly like you would at judo ,boxing or bjj-or any other skill-a weekend course will not turn you into an israeli assasin!! im sure a boxer could throw a jab without closing his hand and eye gouge more accurately than some dude who trains krav, just jab with accuracy and stick the finger out. a boxer would be faster and more accurate in his strike, but even then it might bounce of his forehead and break your finger, but kravist probably has a finger made out of steel! im sure if trained regular krav could be a good system, the israeli's dont do it for no reason-but most people just dip there toe in with little training and lots of money spent and will not be ready when an attack comes there way..im not interested in keeping kravist or anyone happy-just giving my opinion.

kravist

cowzerp wrote:

basically to get good at krav maga you will have to train regularly like you would at judo ,boxing or bjj-or any other skill-a weekend course will not turn you into an israeli assasin!! im sure a boxer could throw a jab without closing his hand and eye gouge more accurately than some dude who trains krav, just jab with accuracy and stick the finger out. a boxer would be faster and more accurate in his strike, but even then it might bounce of his forehead and break your finger, but kravist probably has a finger made out of steel! im sure if trained regular krav could be a good system, the israeli's dont do it for no reason-but most people just dip there toe in with little training and lots of money spent and will not be ready when an attack comes there way..im not interested in keeping kravist or anyone happy-just giving my opinion.

Fantastic that your'e not interested in keeping me happy because you opinion is completly ignorant of the system, basically you haven't got a clue what Krav Maga is all about. So..whatever!!..lol

Compared to you, my finger may well feel like steel, but i assure you it's just skin and bone like everyones elses. Lets dispel that myth asap.

Paddy c..youre making complete sense.
However..this Krav Maga dependence on eye gouges ..is inaccurate.

The only techniques in Krav Maga in which eye gouges are integral parts are head lock releases and the release from a bear hug from the front.
In such holds, jabs, strikes etc are difficult to use effectivly. Because of the head and body positioning of the would be attacker.
Krav uses strikes first and foremost..however if a strike is not accessible..the compromise is an eye gouge etc....!

Baggio...

I met a couple of Krav guys quite recently over at one Lee Morrison's workshops and we had a good old chat about KM. All the guys were very much into their boxing as well and understand how vitally important striking is (they spent a lot of time on training heavy bags, sparring, etc). combined with their own KM techniques and strategies.

I think any decent street system should place a huge emphasis on striking (after the soft skills), and striking properly i.e. using boxing type mechanics, as these can be employed to any of your physical tools - open hand or not.

just my opinion.:)

cowzerp

kravist wrote:

Fantastic that your'e not interested in keeping me happy because you opinion is completly ignorant of the system, basically you haven't got a clue what Krav Maga is all about. So..whatever!!..lol

so because i say it has to be trained like any system im ignorant, cop on to yourself. a weekend training does not make you good at anything-let alone self defense, but maybe its just so crap that it can be learned in a weekend..

Khannie

It has begun.....

Eamon Hennessy

All respect but weekend courses in any fighting system are a joke.
Im doing muay thai twice a day for months and im crap, it takes years.
If i tryed to mug a boxer with years training id be in for a rude awakening.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I've trained K.M. in Israel at the invitation of the Israeli Defence Forces lots of times, and although the IDF instruction was first class (obviously I was in Israel on their home turf) I thought the system wasn't suited for a weekend course.

Last time I looked these K.M. classes in Ireland cost a crazy amount of money, I'd advise anyone to stir well clear of them and enroll in a proper Martial Arts system.

But each to their own of course.

Oh!!!, btw. Almost each and everyone of the K.M. instructor's I met in Israel were also proficient Judoka, BJJ and M.T. fighters too, read into that what you want.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Khannie wrote:

It has begun.....

Yup, pity we can't bring up the other shower down in Dub7 to really make it a sh*t throwing fest

kravist

cowzerp wrote:

so because i say it has to be trained like any system im ignorant, cop on to yourself. a weekend training does not make you good at anything-let alone self defense, but maybe its just so crap that it can be learned in a weekend..

I agree KM needs to be trained at regularly.
Perhaps youve taken too many blows in your boxing career and didnt comprehend my post. Learn some defences against strikes..should help you in the future. If i were you i'd start with what we call the 360 degree defences. Just my suggestion.



I said, you were igonrant of the system that is Krav Maga. In it, strikes are an integral part..read back over my posts!!!!!
Shame you weren't able to continue in what was a mature thread, discussing KM.

hypnosisdublin

kravist wrote:

Shame you weren't able to continue in what was a mature thread, discussing KM.

In fairness, some of your comments on this thread have hardly been mature.

If cowzerp truly is ignorant, then be ignorant of him! If you get into petty arguments, then this thread will be of very little value whatsoever.

Let's get this thread back on track.

Personally, I believe the best approach is cross-training ala Geoff Thompson. Take what works from each system and disregard the rest.

It doesn't always have to be MMA versus Self-Defence. Why not do both?

cowzerp

kravist wrote:

I agree KM needs to be trained at regularly.
Perhaps youve taken too many blows in your boxing career and didnt comprehend my post. Learn some defences against strikes..should help you in the future. If i were you i'd start with what we call the 360 degree defences. Just my suggestion.
I said, you were igonrant of the system that is Krav Maga. In it, strikes are an integral part..read back over my posts!!!!!
Shame you weren't able to continue in what was a mature thread, discussing KM.

Look i never knocked krav maga, i just said a weekend of it would not be worth the money charged but as seen as you are gunning for an argument krav maga is just a fabricated art in ireland looking to screw people out of money, if you had the fights i did you would of taken 10 times the hits i did, i've no brain damage-im just as thick as when i started, where did i say that there was no striking in krav maga-im aware that the founder was a boxer so i'd imagine he used some techniques from that, just because your insecure about your chosen martial art dont start the crap with me-ps, take it handy with the ball groping as it will effect your s-x life if you drill it to much-:p

kravist

cowzerp wrote:

a weekend training does not make you good at anything-let alone self defense, but maybe its just so crap that it can be learned in a weekend..

and you dont knock Krav Maga..muppet or what??

Khannie

F*ck sake lads. Just drop it. I wasn't serious about having a good bicker.

kravist

Khannie wrote:

F*ck sake lads. Just drop it. I wasn't serious about having a good bicker.

fair point..
Cowzerp..i apologise for my previous post....bang out of order!

cowzerp

kravist wrote:

fair point..
Cowzerp..i apologise for my previous post....bang out of order!

Apology accepted, i never intended on knocking krav maga-im purely just saying a weekend course on any discpline will not have you ready for the street, o;k as a refresher or starter but thats it in my opinion.im training 16 years, some kenpo dabbled in kickboxing and muay thai, do bjj and boxing the whole time-im efficent at boxing and can take part in the rest but not to the level of my boxing due to lesser amount of training. im sure if i done krav maga 5 days a week for 10 years plus i'd be very effective at the system, by the way i have studied up on krav maga and know more about it than i do most arts..