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20 NL 2 hands.

  • 04-09-2007 6:31pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭


    Villian is 60/4.5/0.76

    Green Joker Poker 0.10/0.20, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

    saw flop | saw showdown

    Button Hero ($27.65)
    SB linareva ($18.25)
    BB Saharock ($48.19)
    UTG no1possum ($7.24)
    UTG+1 riverHOUSE74 ($21.84)

    Preflop: Hero is on the Button with Jclub.gif Theart.gif
    1 fold, riverHOUSE74 calls 0.20, Hero raises to 0.80, linareva calls 0.70, 1 fold, riverHOUSE74 calls 0.60.

    Flop (2.60) 7diamond.gif 9club.gif Tdiamond.gif
    linareva bets 0.20, riverHOUSE74 calls 0.20, Hero raises to 2.00, linareva calls 1.80, 1 fold.

    Turn (6.80) 3club.gif
    linareva checks, Hero checks.

    River (6.80) 2heart.gif
    linareva checks, Hero bets 6.00, linareva calls 6.00

    Previous donk bets on the flop, villian had air. I think my bet on the river was marginal in hindsight.

    Same villian again.

    Green Joker Poker 0.10/0.20, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

    saw flop | saw showdown

    Button TheZ3K ($20.79)
    SB Hero ($21.98)
    BB linareva ($25.33)
    UTG Saharock ($48.06)
    UTG+1 no1possum ($5.47)
    CO riverHOUSE74 ($19.24)

    Preflop: Hero is in the SB with 8heart.gif 6heart.gif
    2 folds, riverHOUSE74 calls 0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls 0.10, linareva checks.

    Flop (0.60) 9heart.gif Tspade.gif Jheart.gif
    Hero bets 0.60, linareva raises to 1.20, riverHOUSE74 calls 1.20, Hero raises to 3.00, linareva calls 2.40, riverHOUSE74 calls 2.40.

    Turn (11.40) Tdiamond.gif
    Hero checks, linareva bets 2.00, riverHOUSE74 calls 2.00, Hero calls 2.00.

    River (17.40) 5spade.gif
    Hero checks, linareva bets 2.00, 2 folds

    Should I have just flat called the flop min raise? Didn't see the second guy had called since I was staring at QQ on another table >_>.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    Hand 1 is fine but its very read dependant. Against these twits ill sometimes call down a few of these min bets to find out what they mean i.e weakness or strength because once you know this you can bring them to the cleaners.

    Things i like to know are:

    1) What does a min bet mean
    2) Whats hes range for calling a RR after min betting

    Youll quickly see they usually have a trend, min bet and fold to RR with MP or BP, wont fold TP anykicker to RR. or min bet and fold to rr with weak hand and min bet raise with monster.

    As played i might check the river and sometimes ill bet it depending on notes, without notes ill just check to get the information on what hes min betting with.

    Hand 2:

    Weve a combo draw here so theres noting wrong with playing it aggressive but were getting super odds here and also id be worried about wheter we have as many outs as we think because theres a higher str8 already possibly there, theres a higher str8Draw out there and a possible higher FD so in this scenario id just flat call and try to build a pot if we hit on the turn because our hand isnt that strong 3way here given the action.

    On the turn our hand further weakens when the board pairs were getting great odds again so flat call is fine and river is obvously a fold. To be honest i dont like these hands, if we hit the straight with a 7 someone could have a higer straight, if we hit the flush someone could have the higer flush or full house and if we do hit what hand pays is off that we beat, theres so many unknowns, you could be drawing dead or you could have 12 outs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭coillcam


    Hand 1 like I said in the BBV thread. raise it to 1.20 or a dollar straight.

    If you do this, you are profiting on their gross mathematical negligence, they will put in too much money behind and fold meekly to cbets and more frequently preflop.

    Multiply this over thousands of hands and up the levels, you get the picture.

    Plus you are creating bigger pots for your premium hands = more profit.

    On the flop vs the donk bet make it 2.60-3.00, again decrease them pot odds for draws and as a corollary bigger pots when ahead.

    Then I'd bet the turn for 3/4pot unless a Q/6 hits.(then check for a smaller pot)

    I'd check the river then and call a small bet on the river. (Keep the pot small as its a; lose big or win small scenario with 1 pair) Obv. if you improve to trips or a straight we are on the train to value town.

    Hand 2:

    We have a decidedly mediocre draw as we are only going to make a weak flush or the "idiot"/low end of the straight.

    Don't lead the flop and don't re-raise. Check call and keep the pot small OOP is my focus here.Value bet by all means if you hit but if you get raised it's time to abandon ship bar a cheap min-raise or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    1: I would make it a little more preflop, about $1. I would call the flop sometimes, especially with a caller in between, sometimes raise for value. As played I think you should bet the turn vs a guy who seems like such a calling station. River bet is good.
    2: I wouldn't lead this flop, there is no hand that can call you that you want to call you; bar a weaker flush draw, which is not good given you have a decent draw. I would c/c the flop. As play the turn and river are fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭NeoSlicerZ


    #1 Villian showed 77 for a set (o.o) Maybe fish have MUTBS...
    #2 I realised somewhat belatedly on the turn that my draw wasn't quite as good as I thought it was >_>.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭NeoSlicerZ


    Villian folded JJ.


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