2 100nl Drawing Hands

dvdfan

Hand 1:

Noble Poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button trigger022 ($138.45)
SB Andost89 ($99.00)
BB InYourAceee ($100.00)
UTG shakinhands ($227.50)
UTG+1 Hero ($105.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Th 9h
1 fold, Hero raises to 3.50, trigger022 raises to 10.00, 2 folds, Hero calls 6.50.

Flop (21.50) 2h Jh Qc
Hero checks, trigger022 bets 12.00, Hero raises to 36.00, trigger022 moves all-in for 116.45, Hero moves all-in for 59.90.


Villain is 37/20/2.83 Went to SD 31% Won at SD 38% which leads me to think he might be 3 betting light but im not sure.

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Hand 2:

Noble Poker 0.50/1.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button PlayMoney416 ($49.00)
SB FALCONBERG ($163.69)
BB noiq3443301 ($100.00)
UTG manitbois1 ($121.80)
UTG+1 OldCisco1 ($159.03)
BB Hero ($137.70)

Preflop: Hero is in the BB with Ts 9s
2 folds, Hero checks, PlayMoney416 calls 1.00, FALCONBERG raises to 4.50, noiq3443301 calls 4.00, Hero calls 4.00, PlayMoney416 calls 4.00.

Flop (20.50) 6s 8s 4d
FALCONBERG bets 15.00, 1 fold, Hero raises to 55.00, PlayMoney416 moves all-in for 44.00, 1 fold.

Falconberg is 30/10/2.92 over 1.4k hands Went to SD% 23% Won at SD 54%, hes multitabling and just seen me make a similar move in a 3way pot with AA, he cbetted after a 3bet preflop and i RR and shortie called all in and he folded and my AA was showdown to win.

noiq3443301 is 17/12/2.6 over 300 hands and PlayMoney416 is 26/3/2.6 over 1k hands.


How are my lines in both of these, im particularly interested in my bet sizing. I dont like pushing in these situations because it looks like a draw and if i had AA or a set here this is how i would play it but in these situations your folding equity isnt as strong i feel and when i RR im half expecting a push and id rather be pushing than calling a push here so id be interested in replies.

RoadSweeper

I like the first hand, nice play and alot of outs!

I think the RR size is fine, maybe a little more to 44 or someting but pretty

The check raise shows alot of strength creating some fold equity too. (althought he didnt fold he seems to go to show down too much anyway)

Be interesting to see what he had, set? over pair?
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Not sure on the second hand, and would like to see some more opinions on it.

Do you want a call? You said Falconberg and you had a similar hand earlier, this may influence him to call in a slightly tilting way.

Your RR size is fine.



Thats my 2 cents worth!

coillcam

Hand 1:
I go to the felt here everytime,make it 40 or lead on the flop. I'd fold here OOP a bit too PF facing the 3bet as you won't be able to float OOP post flop effectively(Although this isn't really happening in 3 bet pots at $100 i'd imagine) when you miss, which is a lot of the time. What stats are you playing?


18,810 games 0.005 secs 3,762,000 games/sec

Board: 2h Jh Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.444% 45.44% 00.00% 8548 0.00 { Th9h }
Hand 1: 54.556% 54.56% 00.00% 10262 0.00 { JJ+, AhKh }



Hand 2:
HU with PFR I will make this move having shown down AA previously. Now 4-way on the flop I am less inclined to... He fired 3/4 pot OOP vs 3 players-STRENGHTH. Hey pokerstove says your good 40% 3 way and 45% HU vs overpairs/AsKs, so get the money in. As you said you go similar with AA/sets, you get paid more. 55/50 is the right flop bet for me.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

867,783 games 0.125 secs 6,942,264 games/sec

Board: 6s 8s 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.559% 40.36% 00.19% 350275 1687.50 { Ts9s }
Hand 1: 33.995% 34.00% 00.00% 295003 0.00 { JJ+, AsKs }
Hand 2: 25.446% 25.25% 00.19% 219130 1687.50 { TT-88, 66, 44, A8s, 97s, 5s4s, A8o, 97o }Range is wider for shorty.

I Like your play. You will create lotsa action, then AA/sets = €€€€€€€€€€.

NeoSlicerZ

I play both the same way

mrflash

Hand one is fine, you have loads of outs and its time to roll.

Han two is not so good, its a gut shot str8 draw so its a 50/50 hit or miss, don't like the reraise.

phantom_lord

1. fold pf!

2. don't post, and raise if you do.

coillcam

mrflash wrote:

Han two is not so good, its a gut shot str8 draw so its a 50/50 hit or miss, don't like the reraise.

Gutter str8 flush draw (12 outs twice) and like OP says he played AA similarly vs this villain, so he more than likely has good fold equity too. Poker stove proves we win here 40 % time too vs a reasonable range. If it goes to showdown we can thus manipulate our new "maddish" image advantageously also.

valor

1 is a really bad call pf

mrflash

coillcam wrote:

Gutter str8 flush draw (12 outs twice) and like OP says he played AA similarly vs this villain, so he more than likely has good fold equity too. Poker stove proves we win here 40 % time too vs a reasonable range. If it goes to showdown we can thus manipulate our new "maddish" image advantageously also.

i realise he has a str8 flush draw but its one out and included in the flush draw as an out, he has a gut shot str8 draw, so thats 12 outs, which is 48%, maybe i was missing something if when you say twice. but either way its a 48% to hit any full hand.
I agree with the play has some merits if he has previous with the villain. But i just dont like the move with this hand in general.

I see some people are criticising the call with the first hand, wouldnt mind the call, whats the problem, its poker and its one of the best hands to take on pocket pairs with.

opr

mrflash wrote:

I see some people are criticising the call with the first hand, wouldnt mind the call, whats the problem, its poker and its one of the best hands to take on pocket pairs with.

Cause we are not deep enough to justify it , putting in 1/10 of our stack preflop with the guy also having position on us is pretty bad with this hand. We will never make enough money long term to make this a profitable play.

Opr