tarantinio new movie / any good?

redfan

death proof .
i see good auld kurt russell got revived to star in this one
dying to see this
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1028528/

S.M.B.

There's an hours worth or quality viewing in it with another hour of painful dialogue thrown in to the 2 hour edit. I was close to walking out during the middle of it (which I've never done). Tarantino's stopped making movies for the masses and started making them for himself and himself alone.

Rodriguez's half of the Girnd House pair is fantastic though. Possibly film of the year and certainly the best B-Moive of the last decade or so.

redfan

well i think ill get it on dvd its just got a us release 15 dollars ....
cheers for the comments ..

Basq

S.M.B. wrote:

Possibly film of the year and certainly the best B-Moive of the last decade or so.

Has there been many other B-movies in the last decade?

I still adore Tarantino's films.... might be just me!

faceman

this film has been much talked about in the movie world in the past year. Personally i feel tarantino is really over-rated but i sometimes like his buddy robert rod. death proof is part of the grindhouse flicks and were screened as the one movie in the states.

however apparantely robbie's flick is shoite so both films are gettin seperate releases outside the US. ive seen neither myself so cant comment on them.

I heard that Robert Rodriguez' Planet Terror was the better film.

faceman

^ sorry you could be right, i might have got it mixed up.

herbieflowers

I liked some bits, but imo it's over-scripted...I hated most of the characters - other than Kurt Russell - but it's worth the watch and highly entertaining if a bit long...

Dodge

S.M.B. wrote:

There's an hours worth or quality viewing in it with another hour of painful dialogue thrown in to the 2 hour edit. I was close to walking out during the middle of it (which I've never done). Tarantino's stopped making movies for the masses and started making them for himself and himself alone

He never made them for the masses. The masses may have liked them (or at least they like Pulp Fiction; the rest were only moderately usccesful at the box office) but that was never his plan

And the dialogue is the thing that tarantino does better than anyone

faceman

Dodge wrote:

He never made them for the masses. The masses may have liked them (or at least they like Pulp Fiction; the rest were only moderately usccesful at the box office) but that was never his plan

And the dialogue is the thing that tarantino does better than anyone

i disagree. He started a mini filmic revolution with pulp fiction by inserting dialogue that served no purpose for the plot progression or the overall story. (e.g. the scene discussing the big mac) he also had issue with the fact no one uses the toilet in the film so he made 2 key scenes take place using a toilet in pulp fiction. When travolta is killed and also the scene in the diner.

as innovative as it was in pulp fiction, ive felt it was a short lived fad. I dont recall any great scenes of dialogues in his subsequent movies imo. Then again im sure tarantino fans will disagree!

Dodge

YOu seem to forget that resevoir dogs was his first film, and contained some of the best dialogue ever seen on screen

Jackie Brown and Kill Bill were also fabulously scripted with quick, clever dialogue.

If its not your thing, its not your thing...

Basq

Also Tarantino's writing in True Romance was fantastic!

The "sicilian speech" from Dennis Hopper was stupendously performed and written!

Clifford Worley: You're Sicilian, huh?
Coccotti: Yeah, Sicilian.
Clifford Worley: Ya know, I read a lot. Especially about things... about history. I find that sh*t fascinating. Here's a fact I don't know whether you know or not. Sicilians were spawned by ****.
Coccotti: Come again?
Clifford Worley: It's a fact. Yeah. You see, uh, Sicilians have, uh, black blood pumpin' through their hearts. Hey, no, if eh, if eh, if you don't believe me, uh, you can look it up. Hundreds and hundreds of years ago, uh, you see, uh, the Moors conquered Sicily. And the Moors are ****.
Coccotti: Yes...
Clifford Worley: So you see, way back then, uh, Sicilians were like, uh, wops from Northern Italy. Ah, they all had blonde hair and blue eyes, but, uh, well, then the Moors moved in there, and uh, well, they changed the whole country. They did so much f*ckin' with Sicilian women, huh? That they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why blonde hair and blue eyes became black hair and dark skin. You know, it's absolutely amazing to me to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, that, uh, that Sicilians still carry that nigg*r gene. Now this...
[Coccotti busts out laughing]
Clifford Worley: No, I'm, no, I'm quoting... history. It's written. It's a fact, it's written.
Coccotti: [Laughing] I love this guy.
Clifford Worley: Your ancestors are ****. Uh-huh.
[Starts laughing, too]
Clifford Worley: Hey. Yeah. And, and your great-great-great-great grandmother f*cked a nigg*r, ho, ho, yeah, and she had a half-nigg*r kid... now, if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying? 'Cause you, you're part eggplant.
[All laugh]

Dodge

basquille wrote:

Also Tarantino's writing in True Romance was fantastic!

How could I forget that?! :mad:

S.M.B.

basquille wrote:

Has there been many other B-movies in the last decade?

I still adore Tarantino's films.... might be just me!

Good point although Rodriguez has tried at times over the years.

Dodge wrote:

He never made them for the masses. The masses may have liked them (or at least they like Pulp Fiction; the rest were only moderately usccesful at the box office) but that was never his plan

And the dialogue is the thing that tarantino does better than anyone

I'm a fan of Tarantino's dialogue (not so much in Kill Bill) but the dialogue in Death Proof is horrible imo. I'll be interested to hear what big Tarantino fans have to say about the film once they've seen it. Listening to four annoying women talk about men for 30 minutes is never going to be entertaining. Throw in a few references to classic films and that's all you got.

herbieflowers sums it up quite well. Kurt Russels' character is great but underused. The soundtrack is great too.

Karl Hungus

I quite enjoyed the film to be honest. You can read my review here.

I've always hated Tarantino's dialogue though, so I knew I was going to be in for some useless waffling, with the odd bit of good dialogue being lifted from other movies.

I think part of the charm some people see in his writing is the fact that it's being delivered by some decent actors. For example, Christopher Walken's scene in Pulp Fiction. If it wasn't such a great actor delivering the lines, it just wouldn't have been as good.

S.M.B.

Karl Hungus

Good read.

I agree with most of what you say in the Death Proof review except I came out disliking the movie while I loved Planet Terror.

Possible

Earl McGraw stole the show in both movies imo!

Jello

basquille wrote:

Also Tarantino's writing in True Romance was fantastic!

The "sicilian speech" from Dennis Hopper was stupendously performed and written!

Yeah a fantastic scene with great writing from Tarantino!


Looking forward to both Death Proof and Planet Terror, shame they got split up though.

qwertplaywert

Is planet Terror even getting a cinema release over here?

Looking foward to Death Proof nearly as much as Superbad for september

devils_reject

Looking forward to this, I got tickets to the irish premire on the 14th in the Savoy, Quentin is doing a Q&A session at the screening also so should be interesting!

Kingp35

Very very boring film and I love B Movies. It's marketed as a film about a crazed stuntman killing girls in his Death car when in reality it's about a bunch of annoying women sitting around talking about boys and giggling. The dialogue is terrible, what happened to Tarantino's great writing?

There are two action scenes in the entire 2 hour run time. He shouldn't have have said this is a homage to B movies because it's nothing like them. Painfully boring, I wouldn't waste you're money.

Dont be at yourself

Very very boring film and I love B Movies. It's marketed as a film about a crazed stuntman killing girls in his Death car when in reality it's about a bunch of annoying women sitting around talking about boys and giggling. The dialogue is terrible, what happened to Tarantino's great writing?

There are two action scenes in the entire 2 hour run time. He shouldn't have have said this is a homage to B movies because it's nothing like them. Painfully boring, I wouldn't waste you're money.

QFT. Death Proof is closer to an episode of Desperate Housewives than a grindhouse movie.

Kurt Russell was excellent though, he needs to work more often.

Gonzo

Myself and my m8 are huge Tarintino fans and sat down to watch Death Proof last Sunday evening. We tried as much as we could to try and like this movie for the first 30 minutes but it wasnt working, we had hope thinking things would get better but they didnt really. It ended up being one of the hardest 2 hours I had to ever sit through a movie. The film was like gettin a mic and leaving it to secretly record a girls night sleepover and publish it as a movie. The 2nd worst movie I have ever seen and is not worth the paper that the cinema tickets are printed on.

Karl Hungus

Hmm, seems a lot of people who've seen the standalone cut of the film dislike it. I've seen the version that was shown as part of the grindhouse double feature, which is quite a bit shorter as far as I understand, so it seems a lot of needless crap must've been added as filler for the standalone release. Pity, I thought it was a decent film in the original incarnation.

KdjaCL

I really wanted the girls to die quicker much much quicker, some of the conversations between the girls were awful, Russell does well as the crazy psycho and most of his scenes are good.

Just the overlong girls ones that dragged the movie down.


kdjac

Necronomicon

Karl Hungus wrote:

Hmm, seems a lot of people who've seen the standalone cut of the film dislike it.

Which is precisely the reason I'm waiting for it to come out on dvd as a double feature. I'm looking forward to it, but not so much that I can't wait to see it as it was meant to be seen.

aurel

I've seen the double feature version and found some of the girls-only scenes interminable and downright boring. Russel does save it a little.