Nut Flush Draw Action Flop 100NL

dvdfan

Noble Poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($44.40)
SB Hero ($101.20)
BB ($196.90)
UTG ($104.30)
UTG+1 ($114.65)
CO ($107.90)

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with A J
UTG raises to 4.00, 1 fold, CO calls 4.00, Button calls 4.00, Hero calls 3.50, BB calls 3.00.

Flop (20.00) 7 5 6
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 15.00, 1 fold, Button moves all-in for 40.40, Hero ????

Push, Fold or call?
SB is ok tight semi aggressive, button could have a wide range here.

valor

reshove

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

I would have reraised pre flop to about 9 and on flop as it is re shove, he could have Ks Xs or striaght draw for all we know

valor

making it 9 preflop woud be a terrible raise

coillcam

valor wrote:

reshove

I like, great spot to shove and some dead money to pick up too. Hard for PFR to be calling here.

If we assume shorty has sets and 98 as his range and PFR is 88+ it doesn't look too bad.

Board: 5s 6h 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.023% 29.65% 00.38% 215247 2727.00 { AsJs }
Hand 1: 63.585% 62.72% 00.86% 455382 6255.00 { 77-55, 98s, 98o }
Hand 2: 06.391% 05.53% 00.86% 40146 6255.00 { 88+ }

valor

shorties range is much wider though, random flushdraws, top pairs, pair + draw, Ops. etc

Mellor

If we are 30% against such a tight range then a shove is pretty clear. Odds are approaching 2/1 and any sort of wider range justifies a shove.
Just because you got stacked/slated doesn't mean it was wrong.

dvdfan

Yeah seems shove is the obvious option, just taught id run it by ye as with a tight player raising UTG and then leading out 3/4 psb on a 5 way pot screamed strength so i wasnt sure what folding equity i had vs him but i taught a call would be terrible as id rather be pushing here than calling a push against him.

To make things more complicated the big stack pushed after i pushed and the SB folded i missed my draw but improved hitting an Ace on the turn which i didnt expect to be good.......Result

Noble Poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($44.40)
SB Hero ($101.20)
BB ($196.90)
UTG ($104.30)
UTG+1 ($114.65)
CO ($107.90)

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with A J
UTG raises to 4.00, 1 fold, CO calls 4.00, Button calls 4.00, Hero calls 3.50, BB calls 3.00.

Flop (20.00) 7 5 6
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 15.00, 1 fold, Button moves all-in for 40.40, Hero moves all-in for 97.20, BB moves all-in for 192.90, 1 fold.

Turn (365.50) A

River (365.50) 9

Button shows K K
Hero shows A J
BB shows 9 Q

Hero wins 365.50 with One pair, Ace

Preflop with AJs and 3 callers i think i should always just call here, its the type of hand that does well in multiway pots and i dont think 3betting a UTG raise from a tight player is the better option.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

valor wrote:

making it 9 preflop woud be a terrible raise

WHY?

dvdfan

Kaliyah Thankful Preschool wrote:

WHY?

Your giving everyone great odds to call with any 2 cards after the first raiser calls and considering he made a tight UTG raise hes very unlikely to fold after that almost min raise. Min raising is never a good idea preflop or at any time really

spectre

Kaliyah Thankful Preschool wrote:

WHY?

Because everyone would call and you'd be oop with a marginal hand in a bloated pot

edit: also, UTG would have another chance to raise

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

dvdfan wrote:

Preflop with AJs and 3 callers i think i should always just call here, its the type of hand that does well in multiway pots and i dont think 3betting a UTG raise from a tight player is the better option.

Yes but often a stronger hand will re raise PF and you will have a better idea of where you are at leading into the flop if you decide to call the pre flop raise. With raising you fold marginal calling/min raise hands

spectre

Kaliyah Thankful Preschool wrote:

Yes but often a stronger hand will re raise PF and you will have a better idea of where you are at leading into the flop if you decide to call the pre flop raise. With raising you fold marginal calling/min raise hands

If this is your standard line, you have a huge leak.

Raising for info is bad. If UTG raises again, he will probably put in a proper raise which you can't call with your rubbish hand.

dvdfan

Kaliyah Thankful Preschool wrote:

Yes but often a stronger hand will re raise PF and you will have a better idea of where you are at leading into the flop if you decide to call the pre flop raise. With raising you fold marginal calling/min raise hands

Yeah but if ye want to force out marginal hands then raising so little is not the way to do it, raising to say $16+ would be needed here with so many callers otherwise raising has no advantage. Take someone with 56s here or even 46s, if i raise to 9 and UTG calls then there is $30 in the pot and only $9 to call so CO is getting over 3/1, then the Button is getting nearly 5/1 to call which are huge odds.

Theres nothing wrong with 3betting AJs here in most situations but with 3 callers previous to me and a tight UTG raiser and the fact im going to be OOP with a marginal hand on most flops flat calling and playing a multiway pot seemed like a far superior line in this case. On an ace high flop im not getting carried away anyway because i know UTG is rarely calling more than 1 street with a worse Ace, so tje only hand i can see that i could force villain off that im behind to is small PP which im really ahead of because ill take the flop down with a donk bet most of the time even when i dont hit. Hes range UTG has to be pretty close to AK-AJ, KQs and ATs and any PP

coillcam

valor wrote:

shorties range is much wider though, random flushdraws, top pairs, pair + draw, Ops. etc

Ah yeah I know. It's just a worst case scenario situation. It's too much foostering around pokerstove as well. The figures pretty much elucidate we are in good shape and more than likely a bit better even.