Elbows

cowzerp

Simple question-i had my 1st fight on sunday with elbows allowed, there not allowed in cage rage or ring of truth-anyway-whats peoples opinions on them at local level-i understand the big earners using them as thats why they get payed big money but most mma fighters i know work 9-5 aswell-both of us where pretty bust up after the fight and i had work on the monday dealing with the general public-Randy coutore can take ages off but i cant due to loss of earnings etc..Should they be allowed or not-opinions are welcome-mine is that they should not be allowed at this level for reasons explained above-in ufr there is b class rules without the elbows so thats an option but the top irish fighters will want to fight the other top irish in full rules, like in rot. Poll and opinions please.the poll is not about what fans want either its about the fighters.

Mr Magnolia

Not for me thanks. You can get split right open with a perfectly landed elbow. I've never fought with elbow contact.

mark.leonard

No i've work tomorrow!

I have gone to bat on this subject a number of times offline already. I am in favor of elbows, I think not having them allows the fighter on bottom to get an inactivity-reprieve more easily. With elbows in punishment is much harder to stop by just grabbing your opponents arms you have to improve your position.

There is certainly a case to be made for dis-allowing them because of the greater chance of cuts, but I think they keep the action on the ground moving along better than it does without.

Roper

No thanks. I rely on my ridiculous good looks to compensate for my asshole personality so I don't like them. I'd want to be getting good money and 3,000 brown M&Ms in a brandy glass before I'd take a fight with elbows.

Like you said Paul most guys have to go hit their 9-5 the next day and can't afford the time off work. Ireland needs a promotion with them in though a la Cage Rage/UFR for guys who want to go on internationally.

dunkamania

No i've work tomorrow!

mark.leonard wrote:

I think not having them allows the fighter on bottom to get an inactivity-reprieve more easily. With elbows in punishment is much harder to stop by just grabbing your opponents arms you have to improve your position.

This is exactly how I feel about it, although I have no objection to disallowing elbows when standing.

Tim_Murphy

No i've work tomorrow!

Ireland needs a promotion with them in though a la Cage Rage/UFR for guys who want to go on internationally.

ROT used cage rage rules (elbows standing) last time out.

I'd personally go with elbows, standing or on the ground. There's valid arguments for or against I know. At the end of the day if fighting some mofo on a Saturday night if you're idea of a good time, elbows or no elbows, there's always the chance that you might have trouble getting to work on Monday. It's a chance we take, end of.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Its only a sport, no point in damaging people to the point they look like car crash victims.

Sure why not allow stomps in rugby, or head butts to the face in Sumo wrestling?.

I wouldn't like to see elbows used here in what amounts to part timers fighting an amateur sport.

Roper

Well I don't have a sporting objection to them any more than I have an objection to them in Muay Thai. Obviously if you want to be at the top of the pile in Ireland or anywhere you'd have to fight with them in, and I do enjoy watching bouts with them in for the same reason Mark mentioned. My personal preference is fight without them- for now anyway.

FiannaGym.com

No i've work tomorrow!

There is plenty of opportunity to fight without them. The choice should always be there.

But then again I'm all for 3 or 4 rules Vale Tudo.

Bottom line, we should have a place to test ourselves with as fwe rules as possible but also the chance to fight in much safer enviornments. Its good to have a mix (if not a gradation) of rules.

Peace

TheDread Pirate

No i've work tomorrow!

I would definitely be in favour of elbows and think that if you want to get good at the sport of MMA you should be fighting with them.However I don't think fighters should be fighting with them before they are ready for them. This is where the different classes become important.I think each fighter should have had a few fights at B class before progressing to A class rules. But at the end of the day if your fighting you have to expect a few cuts and bruises be it from punches,kicks,knees or elbows.

Khannie

Short version: You should decide yourself whether you enter comps with / without elbows.

Longer version:
Once properly trained, personally, I'd be prepared to step into the ring with elbows allowed in Muay Thai (i.e. "A class" rules). I suppose the thing is that it's up to the fighter to decide whether or not they want to get into the ring with elbows allowed or not....nobody's forcing you in, so I'm going with a yes. If you want to fight without elbows, choose a competition that doesn't allow them.

If you get into the ring with elbows allowed, you run the risk that you're gonna have to take time off work afterwards. Your holiday time / how well your employer takes it / mortgage size will determine whether or not you're ok to do this.

It's easy enough for me though, as I don't work with the public and my employer wouldn't give a **** what I looked like. I can understand that you might want to rule them out then...but still....you've a really good chance of a black eye and / or broken nose one way or the other.

Was it the elbows that did the damage cowzerp?

Garry Bergin

cowzerp/ roper, kinda goin' with you here. I believe elbows are fine once you are a professional (getting paid to fight), but not when it's a sport. coz you usually have to go to work the following day!!!!

cowzerp

Khannie wrote:

Was it the elbows that did the damage cowzerp?

On me it was but on him it was lots and lots of punches-i got hit with g n p for about 1 minute and got cut on the nose and more severe bruises than what you would get from the more blunt force of punches-i also g n p him but only dropped about 2-3 elbows-maybe thats what done it-dont know.its all aesthaetic but in my line of work i cant get away with it, money talks and if the money on offer was worthwhile thats a different story. i always feel they can end a fight to easily without any major skill needed.

RealJohn

No i've work tomorrow!

cowzerp wrote:

i always feel they can end a fight to easily without any major skill needed.

Maybe so but surely the skill it takes to avoid being stopped by elbows counts for something?

Personally, I think at the top level (even in Ireland), elbows should be fair game. Anyone who's not confortable with them, by all means stick to B-class. I can understand those who feel they shouldn't go to work on Monday morning looking like they've been fighting on Saturday/Sunday night but at the end of the day, if fighting is your game, that's the risk you run.

David Jones

Im in agreement with Mark L, Im in favour of them and have preferred fights I have fought with them than ones without. But then Im also in favour of knees to the head on the ground. I guess if there is agreement from both fighters to leave them out then there is no problem but I would always choose to have them if they are on offer.

HammerHeadGym

No i've work tomorrow!

I think a system where both fighters agree to a pay cut before hand, if the mutually agree to leave elbows out. Personally, I'm all for them.

Roper

I'm more interested in fighters agreeing to a pay INCREASE beforehand to have them in .

Seriously, just in case my comments above weren't clear enough, I like elbows and think they should be in, and thankfully there's lots of levels in which you can either have them or not.

cowzerp

Roper wrote:

I'm more interested in fighters agreeing to a pay INCREASE beforehand to have them in .

All joking aside barry but this is true, if your more at risk the rewards should be greater-ring of truth works great without them as does cage rage and pride,they probably make the fight more defensive, not saying normal ground and pound wont cause the same but there is less chance of the cuts, i like them standing as they can be dodged and take a lot of skill to land, anyway im looking handsome again-Think my boss is pissed of at me though, normally i can hide my black eyes!!

HammerHeadGym

No i've work tomorrow!

Well either would work I guess. I know pride doesn't like them because the fight can get stopped too early from a lucky elbow (from a skillful one too), but I still think they should be in as they do represent a more complete system.
I also fully support eye gouge, fish hooks and digs to the mickey. In fact I think all draws should be settled by a game of ro-sham-bo.

goo

cowzerp wrote:

i always feel they can end a fight to easily without any major skill needed.

K E N N Y F L O R I A N

Valmont

No i've work tomorrow!

goo wrote:

K E N N Y F L O R I A N

here here, look what the fecker did to sherk.

mickoo

Pride was always my favourite mma show and had no elbows so i'll have to say elbows are not needed/ elbows are not more effective than punches anyway apart from the cut factor which imo is a negative.

Die Hard SBGNr

cowzerp wrote:

Simple question-i had my 1st fight on sunday with elbows allowed, there not allowed in cage rage or ring of truth-anyway-whats peoples opinions on them at local level-i understand the big earners using them as thats why they get payed big money but most mma fighters i know work 9-5 aswell-both of us where pretty bust up after the fight and i had work on the monday dealing with the general public-Randy coutore can take ages off but i cant due to loss of earnings etc..Should they be allowed or not-opinions are welcome-mine is that they should not be allowed at this level for reasons explained above-in ufr there is b class rules without the elbows so thats an option but the top irish fighters will want to fight the other top irish in full rules, like in rot. Poll and opinions please.the poll is not about what fans want either its about the fighters.

We know you had to go to work on monday but if u had of won u would have been able to take the week off like randy coutore with all of the money

Bad Dog MMA

No one makes a fighter fight, If they don't like the rule structure of a certain promotion, don't fight with them.
Also Fighters don't just stroll in off the street uninformed or unpreparred for the risks involved, they know full well what there getting into.

Roper

cowzerp wrote:

the poll is not about what fans want either its about the fighters.

Just thought I'd emphasise this.

Bad Dog MMA

Thats why anyone who read the thread properly only posted there opinion and didn't vote.;)

Roper

Bad Dog MMA wrote:

Thats why anyone who read the thread properly only posted there opinion and didn't vote.;)

Just thought I'd emphasise this!:D