Cammo Matters- or does it?

Leupold

Cammo is usually used for both disappearance and appearance. If you wanted to know which cammo was best, you would usually have to refer to the environment in which it was supposed to be used. But, most airsofters would have to agree, that it is appearance that is being referred to. Now this statement alone is enough to start a thread, so if someone wants to do this, go ahead. For this thread, I would like to stick to the question- "which cammo do you like best?"-without a debate on environment. If you would like to see a site showing many of the cammos in use around the world, look here http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/. I will kick off the debate by offering my choices as follows:
1. Danish temperate
2. Jordanian desert
3. Paddyflage-Irish cammo-which can be seen on the above site.

Hivemind187

British DPM works for me.

The Baltic type is also good if you are playing in the Dublin mountains (looks like the moss and heather).

Maybe the US 6 colour desert for that environment.

Fiach Dubh

Just remember camo only works when you aren't moving. Humans are predators, our eyes move towards motion not colours

Leupold

Thanks for the comments guys but you are referring to the effectiveness of cammo in a particular environment. This is not what this thread is about- it is about whether you like or do not like particular cammos from an aesthetic perspective.

Hivemind187

Leupold wrote:

Thanks for the comments guys but you are referring to the effectiveness of cammo in a particular environment. This is not what this thread is about- it is about whether you like or do not like particular cammos from an aesthetic perspective.

Aesthetically? As in what I would wear out on the pull?

Urban Woodland. Hands down.

Or Plain Black.

Fiach Dubh

For Asthetics I have have to go with Tiger stripe or Flora pattern. Ukranian tri-colour is very nice too.

N.O.I.P.

Aesthetically speaking it would be Real tree for me, an early autumn pattern. I'd have great fun pretending to be a forest.













*Prepares angry stare for the first smartarse to mention that I'm big enough to pull it off*

Hivemind187

N.O.I.P. wrote:

Aesthetically speaking it would be Real tree for me, an early autumn pattern. I'd have great fun pretending to be a forest.

*Prepares angry stare for the first smartarse to mention that I'm big enough to pull it off*

You're big enough to pull it off

N.O.I.P.

*Stares angrily in the general direction of Hivemind*
















*Realises the Irony of Hive making a fat joke*

Hivemind187

N.O.I.P. wrote:

*Stares angrily in the general direction of Hivemind*

*Realises the Irony of Hive making a fat joke*

Y'gotta hand it to that man, he's fast

o1s1n

N.O.I.P. wrote:

*Stares angrily in the general direction of Hivemind*
















*Realises the Irony of Hive making a fat joke*

Ah go knock over another tree.

ambro25

ACU - because it's heavily pixellated and I'm a g33k

o1s1n

Aesthetically for me it's British DPM. I'm fond of how Flecktarn looks too.

I find all the pixelated stuff too out there.

hoplite

Looking around for some camo myself. Aesthetically I like the digital camo, so cadpat and marpat is what I'm considering at the moment. From what I have read they also appear to be quite effective?

Good website if you are interested in researching camo
http://www.kamouflage.net/

Rew

Fiach Dubh wrote:

Just remember camo only works when you aren't moving. Humans are predators, our eyes move towards motion not colours

Things are seen bescause of:

Shape
Shine
Shadow
Silhouette
Sound
Movement

Personally im very fond of the Irish and the Danish (desert and regular) patterens.

Leupold

If you like digital cammos then this site is the ultimate--http://www.hyperstealth.com/fracture/ -hundreds of variations. These people designed the Jordanian patterns. The main issue with digital cammos is that many of them are very similar and not easy to tell apart. The older non digital patterns were far more varied.

Leupold

Rew wrote:

Things are seen bescause of:

Shape
Shine
Shadow
Silhouette
Sound
Movement

Personally im very fond of the Irish and the Danish (desert and regular) patterens.

You can add sequence to this list

Rew

Leupold wrote:

You can add sequence to this list

I'v seen Sequence and Spaceing but TBH I think its getting a bit tenious at that stage.

Spetzcong

Personal favourite would be Tigerstripe hands down. Never been to a skirmish so I'm not sure how effective it'd be in Ireland but I really like the aesthetics and colouring of the pattern.

There's a Russian Spetsnaz version of the Tigerstripe pattern which I like a lot too, it's similar in colour to their floral pattern but a bit sharper.

I also quite like the Ukranian Floral pattern, again similar to the Russian floral but in mostly browns and dark greens, seems like it would be good in Autumn, or hiding in a load of dead leaves, you'd stand out like a sore thumb in greenery though.

NakedDex

I love swedish pattern, I know it's a bit light for our climate but I love the look of it. It's also one of the few patterns that transfers directly from bdu's to vehicles and still look good.
I also have a rather sordid love affair with Irish DPM. It's also stupidly effective.
As for desert, well you can't beat the choc-chip pattern from the Persian Gulf war. Looks the beeswax. I'm actually wearing it now.

The Master

o1s1n wrote:

I'm fond of how Flecktarn looks too.

Flecktarn looks great
And guarantees success with women**

Cheap as chips too from flecktarn













*Success not guaranteed

cherubaul

# 1 shadow
# 2 multicam
# 3 flecktarn

Oberleutnant

Olive Drab - the only way to go!!

fancyshmancy DPM's eh, bah real men use OD!:D

Leupold

You are correct--look how succesfull it was in Vietnam.

Harekin

Leupold wrote:

You are correct--look how succesfull it was in Vietnam.

QFT

LOL!!

Fallschirmjager

desert tiger stripe...worn it for years...hard to get though in this part of the globe....

Rew

The new Irish Desrt Pattern is fairly funky, like the bits except in out pattern.

chalky

I've heard there was an Irish desert pattern out. Any pics of it?

EDIT: found this
Any better pics?

Gatling

camo matters ,yes it does believe i found out the hard way at the weekend
,have to say i was impressed by the flecktarn camo, blended in very well at HRTA ,one or two of the lads had a very bright ACU that stood out a lot more than my black hoodie ,any woodland pattern suits hrta ,its just a matter of personal taste, my mate wore tiger stripe that worked well out in the fields

Hivemind187

Lads,

Just a word of warning, because there has been a lot of discussion regarding the subject.

Possession or replication of the Irish Uniform and its patterns is an offense under the law for which you WILL be prosecuted if you are found to be in breach of it.

There has been a recent incident where a paintballer serving in the RDF wore it to a game and he is currently being prosecuted.

They are not screwing around on this subject.

Wolfling_Teo

Aesthetically, for me:
N° 1 ITA San Marco :cool:
N° 2 US Multicam
N° 3 US Desert 3 colours

bullets

If Price and technology's were not an issue then
Adaptive camouflages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_camouflage

~B

Rew

Gatling wrote:

camo matters ,yes it does believe i found out the hard way at the weekend
,have to say i was impressed by the flecktarn camo, blended in very well at HRTA ,one or two of the lads had a very bright ACU that stood out a lot more than my black hoodie ,any woodland pattern suits hrta ,its just a matter of personal taste, my mate wore tiger stripe that worked well out in the fields

I stood in the ditch there during hide the sniper in jeans, dark gray flease, sun glasses with a rented MP5. ABout 5 lads walked by the first time then came back alon on my more exposed side and the only thing that finally gave me away was my bare hands.

Out the back at the tanker I crawled down a rut in the field in full view of one guy and he never saw me but Paul snuck in the side and opend up on both of us! Paul was wearing a DPM boonie and jeans etc. I had a green top and jeans and the other lad who got shot by both of us was in full ACU!

Assuming your not going to wear very light or high vis colours, most games at HRTA you dont need cammo at all. Anyway generally no one covers all of their hands and face which are a dead give away.

Rew

chalky wrote:

I've heard there was an Irish desert pattern out. Any pics of it?

EDIT: found this
Any better pics?

No thats the only pic available ATM

CrazyRabbit

Hivemind187 wrote:

Lads,

Just a word of warning, because there has been a lot of discussion regarding the subject.

Possession or replication of the Irish Uniform and its patterns is an offense under the law for which you WILL be prosecuted if you are found to be in breach of it.

There has been a recent incident where a paintballer serving in the RDF wore it to a game and he is currently being prosecuted.

They are not screwing around on this subject.

Can you confirm something related for me? I've heard that any kind of military uniform that displays rank is also illegal. I've heard this from 2 sources now, but haven't been able to confirm it.

Hivemind187

CrazyRabbit wrote:

Can you confirm something related for me? I've heard that any kind of military uniform that displays rank is also illegal. I've heard this from 2 sources now, but haven't been able to confirm it.

Rank is a dodgy subject. Its basically impersonating an officer or a member of the armed forces so in that sense I think its a criminal offence.

Thats not hte worst of the trouble though, military types are fiercely proud of their insignia and they have every right to be. Fighting men and women have died for the honour of the uniforms and insignia they ware, often in wars they may not agree with (Vietnam, Korea and even today). If you are caught wearing the rank tabs or insignia of a particular group then you could find yourself picking up shattered teeth with broken fingers.

In the end it comes down to respecting the symbols you wear, while you might not actually get prosecuted you may very well be insulting and offending the very people you seek to emulate with, what should be, due reverence.

o1s1n

CrazyRabbit wrote:

Can you confirm something related for me? I've heard that any kind of military uniform that displays rank is also illegal. I've heard this from 2 sources now, but haven't been able to confirm it.

I wouldnt be too sure either whether it is illegal or not either. I've seen many surplus items which still had bits and pieces on them. Seemed to be a fashionable thing there at one point with girls wearing military jackets with ranks on the arms.

Similarly to hivemind, I find wearing ranks is crossing the line a bit too far. People take time and effort to earn them. Wearing them for recreation is a bit of a slap in the face.

Shiva

o1s1n wrote:

I wouldnt be too sure either whether it is illegal or not either. I've seen many surplus items which still had bits and pieces on them. Seemed to be a fashionable thing there at one point with girls wearing military jackets with ranks on the arms.

Similarly to hivemind, I find wearing ranks is crossing the line a bit too far. People take time and effort to earn them. Wearing them for recreation is a bit of a slap in the face.

/Totally Off Topic

We're going to see you posting even more than usual for the next while, aren't we ?

Gatling

surely if its illegal to wear Irish DPM ,its a matter for skirmish sites to say they wont allow the use of it,wearing a rank insignia is impersonating an officer if u havent earned them chances are at some stage a serving member of the services will dish out a kicking ,for me id wear most of the gear but i wouldnt put a rank on any thing ,its down to the repect of serving men and women, if it wasnt issued or earned ,leave it at home

o1s1n

Shiva wrote:

/Totally Off Topic

We're going to see you posting even more than usual for the next while, aren't we ?

I'm afraid so. Apologies of I cause the boards.ie servers to crash :eek:

Rew

Gatling wrote:

surely if its illegal to wear Irish DPM

Not "if", it is. Its not on the shoulders of the skermish sites its the indvisules who face punishment. DF personel arn't allowed to throw on the uniform and head off to do what they like, your only allowed to wear it while training, on duty or going to or from either. Anything else and your risk landing your self in ****.

Gatling

yes it is ,i know its not down to the skirmish sites ,but if it was made known by the sites that it wont be allowed ,ie with the face mask rule ,then it shouldnt be a common sight , seen 2 loadouts at the weekend not a word was said ,even worst on the way home in swords village there was a 14yo wearing a irish dpm jacket ,when the above was questioned as to where he got hold of said jacket ,a shop in town sell them came the reply:mad: :mad:

Rew

Gatling wrote:

yes it is ,i know its not down to the skirmish sites ,but if it was made known by the sites that it wont be allowed ,ie with the face mask rule ,then it shouldnt be a common sight , seen 2 loadouts at the weekend not a word was said ,even worst on the way home in swords village there was a 14yo wearing a irish dpm jacket ,when the above was questioned as to where he got hold of said jacket ,a shop in town sell them came the reply:mad: :mad:

I do agree that if the Skirmish sites said "no" it would go along way but they arn't legally bound to do it unfortunitly. I also thinks its in the best interests of the sport that players "frown" on others who do it and show them the error of their ways because I stongly belive that its something that could have a very negitive impact on the soprt if the Army chose to make a big issue of it.

Gatling

REW you hit the nail on the head there , its a case of covering all bases by the IAA, Skirmish sites,and ourselfs as a group ,to make sure anything illegal isnt seen in connection with AIRSOFT ,

Beast ASI

Summer - CADPAT
Winter - Flecktarn