penalty points and ticket question

nillox

couple of weeks back my girlfriend was pulled over for not driving on the left, and was shouted at till she cried by the guard.
today she got a ticket and penalty points in the mail.
she was never told about any of these things and the guard wasnt wearing his hat, im wondering do these things count?? can we complain and get something done??

MrPudding

nillox wrote:

couple of weeks back my girlfriend was pulled over for not driving on the left, and was shouted at till she cried by the guard.
today she got a ticket and penalty points in the mail.
she was never told about any of these things and the guard wasnt wearing his hat, im wondering do these things count?? can we complain and get something done??

What! He wasn't wearing his hat? I hope you got his number, he is proper fcuked.

MrP

godtabh

nillox wrote:

couple of weeks back my girlfriend was pulled over for not driving on the left, and was shouted at till she cried by the guard.
today she got a ticket and penalty points in the mail.
she was never told about any of these things and the guard wasnt wearing his hat, im wondering do these things count?? can we complain and get something done??

Are you serious?

She deserves everything she gets if she doesnt know what side of the road she was meant to be driving on.

No hat my arse

corglass

Get a life, I mean she was driving on the wrong side of the road?

Lord help us with people like that on the road. Their a danger to themselves and to society.

nillox

i ment the left lane, there was 3 lanes. she was in the right

corglass

Theres only two lanes you. The others the hard shoulder!

nillox

well were on the motor way/link road, so there were 3 lanes for both directions. all i want to know is do they have to tell u if ur getting the ticket or not

endplate

No hat no ticket

godtabh

nillox wrote:

well were on the motor way/link road, so there were 3 lanes for both directions. all i want to know is do they have to tell u if ur getting the ticket or not

So she was driving in the correct direction?

She wasn't in the hard shoulder?

What did she do? Or was the cop ex Gestapo and picking on your girlfriend?

What about your hat question that seems to be gone?

Dont think they have to tell you your and idiot for speeding/dangerous driving/breaking the law etc/

richie_rvf

Honestly I don't know what the situation is but I am curious, what exactly was he shouting at her, surely there is not a whole lot he could have said for being in the R/H lane???

Richie.

whippet

nillox wrote:

couple of weeks back my girlfriend was pulled over for not driving on the left, and was shouted at till she cried by the guard.
today she got a ticket and penalty points in the mail.
she was never told about any of these things and the guard wasnt wearing his hat, im wondering do these things count?? can we complain and get something done??

There is something being done about it, points and a fine !!

The rules of the road are simple, drive left and overtake right. She obviously wasn't adhering to the rules of the road and has now recieved the punishment that the law allows.

As for the hat comment :rolleyes:

Mr. Presentable

nillox wrote:

couple of weeks back my girlfriend was pulled over for not driving on the left, and was shouted at till she cried by the guard.
today she got a ticket and penalty points in the mail.
she was never told about any of these things and the guard wasnt wearing his hat, im wondering do these things count?? can we complain and get something done??

She should challenge it in court. Let a judge shout at her also. And put her where she belongs, off the road. So, yes, refuse to pay the fine, and complain!

nillox

well if the officer is not in uniform (includes not wearing a hat) and does not identify himself we are legally obliged to not co-operate if we dont want to, but he had the car so ill forget bout that.
well there were 3 lanes so is there 2fast lanes or wat, thats the thing that bothered me most, but im more interested in knowing should they have told her she'd be getting a ticket, the guy just walked away, didnt say anything about a ticket..
such helpful ppl here iv to say.
typical anyway in a car forum, prob full of taxi drivers and boy racers

Marcus.Aurelius

nillox wrote:

i ment the left lane, there was 3 lanes. she was in the right

Hat is irrelevant. An old urban legend. How do detectives arrest people without their hats on?

Marcus.Aurelius

endplate wrote:

No hat no ticket

Oh God,....not you too!!!!

HAT NOT NEEDED!!!

whippet

nillox wrote:

well if the officer is not in uniform (includes not wearing a hat) and does not identify himself we are legally obliged to not co-operate if we dont want to, but he had the car so ill forget bout that.
well there were 3 lanes so is there 2fast lanes or wat, thats the thing that bothered me most, but im more interested in knowing should they have told her she'd be getting a ticket, the guy just walked away, didnt say anything about a ticket..
such helpful ppl here iv to say.
typical anyway in a car forum, prob full of taxi drivers and boy racers

It sounds like you don't know the rules of the road also. There is no such thing as a fast lane, it is an overtaking lane.

With regards to being told about getting a ticket, does a fixed speed camera call you as you go by to tell you about the impending ticket and points?

The guard let he know what the offense was (even if his hat was having a holiday) ... and took her details. That is all they had to do!

Now, on an other note, If I was robbing a bank and just as the cop was to arrest me I knocked his hat off .. I could expect to walk free from the court ? Sweet ... better not tell anyone !

Marcus.Aurelius

nillox wrote:

well if the officer is not in uniform (includes not wearing a hat) and does not identify himself we are legally obliged to not co-operate if we dont want to, but he had the car so ill forget bout that.
well there were 3 lanes so is there 2fast lanes or wat, thats the thing that bothered me most, but im more interested in knowing should they have told her she'd be getting a ticket, the guy just walked away, didnt say anything about a ticket..
such helpful ppl here iv to say.
typical anyway in a car forum, prob full of taxi drivers and boy racers

Penalty points offence, so you will be getting a letter with a fine in it. Garda doesn't have to tell you he's sending it. It's common sense.

Theboinkmaster

nillox comments like that won't really help will they? i aint no taxi driver or boy racer i just like cars

the reason people aren't helpful is because your girlfriend does not know the rules of the road or else chooses not to adhere to them therefore she is perhaps either ignorant or an arrogant bitch. now i know that's a bit harsh as all people make mistakes but the nail in your coffin is you coming onto this forum looking for legal loopholes to get out of it.

it doesnt matter if the garda was wearing a panda suit - your girlfriend deserved points and fine so she should just pay it and learn her lesson. granted the garda shouldn't have shouted at her but are there parts of the story left out as in did she give him lip etc? if not then go complain if you want. ive learned to just bite me toungue...

godtabh

nillox wrote:

well if the officer is not in uniform (includes not wearing a hat) and does not identify himself we are legally obliged to not co-operate if we dont want to, but he had the car so ill forget bout that.
well there were 3 lanes so is there 2fast lanes or wat, thats the thing that bothered me most, but im more interested in knowing should they have told her she'd be getting a ticket, the guy just walked away, didnt say anything about a ticket..
such helpful ppl here iv to say.
typical anyway in a car forum, prob full of taxi drivers and boy racers

I'd say boy racers and taxi drivers would have more cop on than you and your girl friend.

So your saying a plain clothes garda cant arrest any one?

It seems clear that the girlfriend did something wrong and your trying to justify it. that wont wash here

nillox

im just saying the hat thing cuz i found it on the net about our rights. and i see signs everyday saying fast lane.
now i dont care if im wrong im just trying to find an answer so no need to be so stuck up yer own asses wit all ur smart ass cheeky comments

nillox

the reason ppl arent giving ME help is cuz of my gf who hasnt asked anything.
god yer inteligence is somewhat far superior than mine, im so so sorry ill just bow down

Henry Ford III

Pay up I'm afraid, take the points and learn the lesson.

There really is no excuse for driving on the overtaking lane.

Doesn't stop lots of people doing it daily though., including a few of the "high horse" brigade on here no doubt.

I think it's sad where a grown man makes a lady cry btw.

godtabh

nillox wrote:

im just saying the hat thing cuz i found it on the net about our rights. and i see signs everyday saying fast lane.

Were have you seen the signs?

nillox wrote:

now i dont care if im wrong im just trying to find an answer so no need to be so stuck up yer own asses wit all ur smart ass cheeky comments

If you dont care your wrong why arent you taking on board what people are telling you? You just dont seem to want to accept that you (your gf) were was in the wrong and you are trying to worm your way out of it

richie_rvf

Hey Nillox, I must admit I would be p1ssed off too if my wife told me she got shouted at by a Garda until she cried.

Still, there is no such thing as a fast lane, maybe the Garda was trying to pass and she refused to move to the other lane and that p1ssed him off, who knows??

I also must admit that the only times I get annoyed when driving on a motorway is when there is a tail back caused by someone who refuses to drive in the left lane.

Sorry if I offended you or your girlfriend but I would suggest that she hasn't told you everything??

Richie.

antodeco

Henry Ford III wrote:

There really is no excuse for driving on the overtaking lane.

Unless overtaking

nillox wrote:

im just saying the hat thing cuz i found it on the net about our rights. and i see signs everyday saying fast lane.
now i dont care if im wrong im just trying to find an answer so no need to be so stuck up yer own asses wit all ur smart ass cheeky comments

Where does it say "fast lane"?? Ive been shouted at by a garda before. I didnt do "anything wrong". In the eyes of the law it wasnt the smartest move I did, so I accepted it.

Nillox, if you are looking to get out of a legal loophole, post here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=658

Posting in a motor forum looking for information to get out of a penalty points (and an irate garda for whatever reason) situation will annoy people. If she didnt break the law, then she should contest it. However, if she DID break the law (which only you, your GF and the garda truthfully know)but you want to get out of it because of a hatless garda, then dont ask people (high horse brigade/honest drivers/boy racers/taxi drives/stunt drivers) advice, because you will annoy them.

Most of us at some point in our lives have or will break the law. If we break the law and we are caught, I for one, have and will put my hands up.

As mentioned, IF she broke the law, but was unsure of what she was doing, it will explain the reasons why on the letter that she received. BTW, you dont get a ticket AND penalty points in the post. You get a form, accept/not accept and pay/not pay the fine and then seperately receive a letter from the RSA issueing you the points. There is a legal requirement in this country to give you reasonable information as to why an offence was commited. If this was not explained then contest it. If it was explained (and it seems it was) then accept it. You have posted 8 times so far, more or less 6 of them have been someway offensive to ALL boardsies. If you require good advice, dont insult people. Accept that some people will get pissed off from your post, but dont blame everyone. Same was I wont blame everyone that sits in the "fast lane" to be your girlfriend. No offence meant.

**Rant over**

andrew1977

Just pay up and take the penalty points, i got 2 penalty points some months back, the penalty notice arrived in the post stating 8.20pm for time of offence, but i was actually stopped at 8.20am , i asked my solicitor for his opinion , he said he could challenge it for me but to take my punishment ,the judge would hammer me for coming to court to challenge it he reckoned.

Traumadoc

If a guard shouted at my wife and caused her to cry I would request a meeting with the Superintendant- rude behavior is not on at all.

Lafortezza

pics of gf!

Seth Brundle

nillox wrote:

well if the officer is not in uniform (includes not wearing a hat) and does not identify himself we are legally obliged to not co-operate if we dont want to, but he had the car so ill forget bout that.
well there were 3 lanes so is there 2fast lanes or wat, thats the thing that bothered me most, but im more interested in knowing should they have told her she'd be getting a ticket, the guy just walked away, didnt say anything about a ticket..
such helpful ppl here iv to say.
typical anyway in a car forum, prob full of taxi drivers and boy racers

It appears that neither you nor your girlgriend have read the rules of the road properly. When you get your free copy, please study it - the rules are largely there for a reason.

nillox wrote:

im just saying the hat thing cuz i found it on the net about our rights. and i see signs everyday saying fast lane.
now i dont care if im wrong im just trying to find an answer so no need to be so stuck up yer own asses wit all ur smart ass cheeky comments

Where did you see that info on the net?
Furthermore, there are loads of signs around the country erected that are illegal. Christ, even the NRA are unable to design signs properly. Just because its there doesn't mean its correct!
See Poor Road Signage Pictures

nillox wrote:

the reason ppl arent giving ME help is cuz of my gf who hasnt asked anything.
god yer inteligence is somewhat far superior than mine, im so so sorry ill just bow down

see my point above

lafortezza wrote:

pics of gf!

ROFL

DonJose

nillox wrote:

im just saying the hat thing cuz i found it on the net about our rights. and i see signs everyday saying fast lane.

I'd also be interested n seeing these fast lane signs you see everyday.

Anyway rules of the road booklet, page 122

(or)

http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/motorway.html

Lane 3

If you are travelling on a three-lane motorway, you must use this lane only if traffic in lanes 1 and 2 is moving in queues and you need to overtake or accommodate merging traffic. Once you're finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by.

I'd give a guess and say her points will fall under "Driving without reasonable consideration."

godtabh

Traumadoc wrote:

If a guard shouted at my wife and caused her to cry I would request a meeting with the Superintendant- rude behavior is not on at all.

You want the guards to say please sir madame excuse me?

While the guards are the front line of the law they arent there to be nice to criminals. They have to deal with pure scum so dont expect etiquette to be their to priority. If you dont break the law you wont have to worry about crying.

endplate

maoleary wrote:

Oh God,....not you too!!!!

HAT NOT NEEDED!!!

I was been sarcastic hence the confused smilie


Now hang on a minute can you get points from simply driving in the overtaking lane. I think you would have to do a bit more to earn points and a bolloxing. Come on Nillox tell us what the letter she got says what was she really doing to annoy the Garda

Gregor Samsa

kearnsr wrote:

You want the guards to say please sir madame excuse me?

Yes, actually. It's not too much to ask from a public servant, or indeed any human being. And in fairness, most Gardai are courteous in most situations.

kearnsr wrote:

While the guards are the front line of the law they arent there to be nice to criminals. They have to deal with pure scum so dont expect etiquette to be their to priority. If you dont break the law you wont have to worry about crying.

Unless the OP has left something considerable out of his story, I wouldn't classify a lane hogger as a 'criminal' or 'pure scum'. And the Gardai aren't there to punish or berate criminals, or anyone else, either. That's the job or the courts. In most situations, unless you give them lip, I don't see why courtesy or even detached matter-of-factness shouldn't be in order.

That said, the Garda could have said something fairly innocuous that made her cry, so he didn't necessairily do anything wrong. And, given that she was in the wrong, she should take her points/fine and chalk it down to experience.

godtabh

endplate wrote:

Now hang on a minute can you get points from simply driving in the overtaking lane. I think you would have to do a bit more to earn points and a bolloxing. Come on Nillox tell us what the letter she got says what was she really doing to annoy the Garda

I think thats the point thats been made already that we arent getting the whole story

endplate

kearnsr wrote:

I think thats the point thats been made already that we arent getting the whole story

I didn't think the question was been asked directly enough so I threw it out there as the topic has gone into how a Garda should behave

Marcus.Aurelius

Henry Ford III wrote:

I think it's sad where a grown man makes a lady cry btw.

Absolutely agree, not needed at all. I suppose even Guards get upset when they see crazy muppetry on the roads.

TwoShedsJackson

the guard wasnt wearing his hat, im wondering do these things count?? can we complain and get something done??

well if the officer is not in uniform (includes not wearing a hat) and does not identify himself we are legally obliged to not co-operate if we dont want to, but he had the car so ill forget bout that.

What! He wasn't wearing his hat? I hope you got his number, he is proper fcuked.

ahahahahahahahahaha I missed this thread yesterday somehow, so thanks lads for the best laugh I've had so far today, didn't expect it to come from Motors

Seth Brundle

With regard to herself crying, why would a grown person start crying? Should the garda change their stance purely because the waterworks are flowing?
I nor anyone else were there and I suspect that the OP or their g/f has been slightly economical with the story. A garda doesn't suddenly storm up and start shouting and even if they do, thats no reason to burst into tears.
My point is, would the same respect be shown to a man who starts crying? Should additional respect be shown to anyone who starts crying when caught breaking the law?

DrChoda

If you read the rules of the road it does clearly state that the right lanes are for overtaking.
You need to understand where a lot of these comments are coming from.
If you search some previous posts (my own included) you'll see that slow drivers in the passing lane (blocking traffic behind them and possibly creating the ingredients to an accident) are near the top in the list of 'worst drivers'.

http://www.penaltypoints.ie/the_full_list_of_offences.php

Failure to drive on the left hand side of the road is 1 point and €60 fine.

Not meaning to be a jerk, but you haven't said anything about what other traffic was on the road. Was she the only car on the motorway at the time?
Mistakes happen and if she didn't know these were the rules, then its time to read the manual that was sent to every address. It is easy toilet reading.

IMO, I wish they would pull over more vehicles doing this. I nearly drove 'through' someone on the M50 the other day. 120km/h and some idiot decides to pass another car at the very fast speed of 80km/h. Some people shouldn't be driving period....much less on the motorway.

I will agree that she should have been treated better, and not have been shouted at. As well, I think the traffic enforcement here need to do a much better job at informing the offender the amount of points incurred and the fine. (All they have to do is print out the same page from link above and keep it in the patrol cars. It would go a long way for public relations)

godtabh

phutyle wrote:

Yes, actually. It's not too much to ask from a public servant, or indeed any human being. And in fairness, most Gardai are courteous in most situations.

Unless the OP has left something considerable out of his story, I wouldn't classify a lane hogger as a 'criminal' or 'pure scum'. And the Gardai aren't there to punish or berate criminals, or anyone else, either. That's the job or the courts. In most situations, unless you give them lip, I don't see why courtesy or even detached matter-of-factness shouldn't be in order.

That said, the Garda could have said something fairly innocuous that made her cry, so he didn't necessairily do anything wrong. And, given that she was in the wrong, she should take her points/fine and chalk it down to experience.

The Gardai are public servants but they arent working the service industry.

As some one else has said already how can and adult be made to cry? Seriously as an adult you should be able to deal with the consequences of your actions. If you cant deal with them dont make sure you dont put your self in a situation were a garda might have to shout at you.

wheresthebeef

contest the points if you want, but beware. your girlfriend did break the rules of the road, there is no denying that. therefore the fact is that she committed a road traffic offence. the fact that the garda may have been rude to her is a separate issue and will be taken up as such. when you contest the points however, your girlfriend will be found guilty of the offence and given more penalty points than if she accepted it now.

and again, to re-iterate the point many others have made. Fast lane = muppetry, Garda not wearing hat = muppetry!

FX Meister

kearnsr wrote:

Were have you seen the signs?
If you dont care your wrong why arent you taking on board what people are telling you? You just dont seem to want to accept that you (your gf) were was in the wrong and you are trying to worm your way out of it

That's "where" and "you're". Thanks

FX Meister

kbannon wrote:

I nor anyone else were there and I suspect that the OP or their g/f has been slightly economical with the story. A garda doesn't suddenly storm up and start shouting and even if they do, thats no reason to burst into tears.

I can imagine they would from time to time. My sister was screamed and shouted at for going 130kph in the right hand lan on the M1. He also said she would be getting a fine and points but they never came through.
When I was 16 I jumped a red light a couple of seconds before it went green ona push bike. 1 motorbike cop and 2 in a van and another 2 on foot it took to deal with it. The cop who saw it happen shouted and screamed at me, threatened to kick the **** out of me and gave me abuse because I went to a fee paying school and also made remarks about my father. There are asshole cops out there. FACT

Seth Brundle

maybe so but if you read the end of my quoted text, did you burst into tears?

FX Meister

Only when I got home.