A couple of live hands.

BigCityBanker

both are 1/2pl from the acquarium last night

Hand 1.

BuChan raises to 7 in EP, random guy calls, I call 7 with 9s10s, Jayminator makes it 37 from the SB, Buchan calls, Random guy calls, I call.

Me 540, Jay 540+, BUChan 500, Random 100.

Flop 8s 6c 3s

Jay leads for 150, Eamonn calls, Random calls for last 70. You have 500 in front of you, whats your move?

Hand 2.

You make it 11 in LP with As10c, eddy the eagle calls from CO, random calls from blinds, Simon Kelly calls from UTG+1.

Flop Ac 10d 7d,

Checked to me and i make it 40, eddy calls, folded to Simon who CR to 150.

You are playing c.600 and Simon covers. Im not concerned about Eddy really but he is playing c.250ish.

ollyk1

BigCityBanker wrote:

both are 1/2pl from the acquarium last night

Hand 1.

BuChan raises to 7 in EP, random guy calls, I call 7 with 9s10s, Jayminator makes it 37 from the SB, Buchan calls, Random guy calls, I call.

Me 540, Jay 540+, BUChan 500, Random 100.

Flop 8s 6c 3s

Jay leads for 150, Eamonn calls, Random calls for last 70. You have 500 in front of you, whats your move?

It might be helpful to the interweb players if you didn't keep changing peoples names in the above.

I probably fold preflop for €37.

I'm also leaning towards a fold on the flop.

Fold > Push > call for me.

BigCityBanker wrote:

Hand 2.

You make it 11 in LP with As10c, eddy the eagle calls from CO, random calls from blinds, Simon Kelly calls from UTG+1.

Flop Ac 10d 7d,

Checked to me and i make it 40, eddy calls, folded to Simon who CR to 150.

You are playing c.600 and Simon covers. Im not concerned about Eddy really but he is playing c.250ish.

Call and call a non diamond turn push.

Glowingmind

Hand 1 is a fold for me.

You've got an inside straight draw and a 10 high fd. I've never played cash against jayminator or buchan (so my view of them may not be valid) but have played with them a number of times in tourneys and would expect one of them to be miles ahead of you here.
Based on the action, i'd expect Jayminator to have QQ-AA. BuChan i find pretty hard to read, but would figure him for a set or a better FD.

Hand 2:

Is Simon Kelly Sikes?
You're unlucky if you're up against a set of 7's, but i can't find a fold here, and would go with ollys play

me = cash game donk

ianmc38

both hands are simple shoves. simon always tries retarded stuff and overplays hands all the time.

ollyk1

Glowingmind wrote:

Is Simon Kelly Sikes?

No it isn't. I'm not sure if Simon Kelly posts on boards. Sikes = sleepy looking Simon. Simon Kelly = crazy uncut hair Simon.

ollyk1

ianmc38 wrote:

both hands are simple shoves. simon always tries retarded stuff and overplays hands all the time.

Well it depends what time of the night it is. He is very active though and loves to make "moves". I guess I should have added the proviso enquiring what time of the night it is and if Simon is stuck or not...

ianmc38

Lol Olly. He does try alot of moves. Suffers from FPS. He'd also go broke with AJ here. BTW when i said easy shoves, I meant I'm never folding either ie im shipping both now

BigCityBanker

hand 1 - ive got about 30% equity against a set and an overpair. The only thing i dont really want to see in the NFD. Ive got c.45% equity against a lone overpair. Im fooked agasint a nfd / overpair / set combo. Think those % are ballpark correct - i aint sure tho.

mickste

Hand 1 is a fold preflop. You're not going to raise Jay here, and if you miss the turn what's you're plan then? give up?

Hand 2. I am jamming it all in here against Eddie and Simon. Simon could have a bigger Ace and he will probably call anyhow. Eddie might come along for the ride anyway

ollyk1

BigCityBanker wrote:

hand 1 - ive got about 30% equity against a set and an overpair. The only thing i dont really want to see in the NFD. Ive got c.45% equity against a lone overpair. Im fooked agasint a nfd / overpair / set combo. Think those % are ballpark correct - i aint sure tho.

I think for your hand to play well one of the lads has to fold to the shove.

I don't think Jay is folding and therefore Buchan isn't folding to a jam, he's either got a set and looking for you to push (which is what I'd do here against Jay's overpair with you acting behind or else he's gotta call with the nfd and he'll call it off for the price he's getting. The only other option is Buchan has 4s5s/7s5s holding but I doubt he plays that hand this way).

Thus you're not going to get much dead money in the middle and your hand doesn't play well against the two hand ranges. You can't call imo.

I think it's a marginal fold because the lads are unlikely to fold to you. If it was me in this position I could well push but I'm a solid player!!

ianmc38

i dont mind calling preflop with those stacks and 3 callers in front of you. well once you're shipping the sherbert on that flop anwyas. lol

jbravado

ianmc38 wrote:

Lol Olly. He does try alot of moves. Suffers from FPS. He'd also go broke with AJ here. BTW when i said easy shoves, I meant I'm never folding either ie im shipping both now

Simon literally can go bananas at any time(was playing a game with him once where he checkraised on the turn to 600 and folded for an extra 150 push-another time I made a crying call preflop with kk when we both had 800+tanks flop came aq5 brick brick and he doesnt show)dont forget the a6 v aa hand for 1200+ also against a relative rock)When he plays good hes v good and can run over a table but prone to huge blowups.bms maybe...

Bcb-u almost always have him in horrific shape here-he will usually call a shove with any picture ace so easy easy shove.If he has a set its a cooler.


Im not sure about the first hand-Im leaning towards a push as Buchan will really need a big hand to call here and I think a lot of the time he folds-I think youll have all clean outs v jay and randomer can be discounted to a certain extent.

BigCityBanker

ianmc38 wrote:

i dont mind calling preflop with those stacks and 3 callers in front of you. well once you're shipping the sherbert on that flop anwyas. lol

im with you here ian - with those stacks and closing the action preflop i dont think this is a bad call.

BigCityBanker

anyway - no need to carry on much longer.

Hand 1 - Jay folded JJ, BuChan called with QQ and random shorty had AsKs for the nfd/overcards and some of my outs.. The Qs fell on the turn and the board didnt pair n the river so I won a decent side pot. I was pretty sure BuChan was calling with whatever he called the 150 post flop bet with. I knew Jay had an overpair to the board so i wasnt particularly bothered if he called as it was just increasing my odds.

Hand 2 - I reckoned I was only behind 77 here, he never has 1010 or AA given the preflop action. He either had A10, A7, 77, AdXd so i tanked it and he called with the other A10 for a split.

coillcam

1:

Pot is c. 111 on flop. Jay bets 150, 260/150= 1.73-1 pot odds.

Dunno Ian about shoving here, that said I don't know how the villains play and a shorty already All-in. I fold, like the guys said I cant see jay with less than QQ+/AsKs and short may have a set/better FD, Maybe Eamonn/buchan? can be squeezed off his TT/JJ

2:

Limp call PF maybe 77,TT(Unlikely),8s9s, AsXs. I don't like this spot. Definitely not up against top pair unless it has the flush draw. Eddy only has c.100 behind after his C/R so I'm ALL-IN.

BigCityBanker

coillcam wrote:

1:

Pot is c. 111 on flop. Jay bets 150, 260/150= 1.73-1 pot odds.

Dunno Ian about shoving here, that said I don't know how the villains play and a shorty already All-in. I fold, like the guys said I cant see jay with less than QQ+/AsKs and short may have a set

this is wrong - 4 players see a flop for 37 each, pot is 150 on the flop, Jay bets 150, Eamonn calls 150, shorty is all in for last 70 odd so ther is now 520 in the pot when it comes to me and im playing 503 at this point.

BigCityBanker

coillcam wrote:

1:


Limp call PF maybe 77,TT(Unlikely),8s9s, AsXs. I don't like this spot. Definitely not up against top pair unless it has the flush draw. Eddy only has c.100 behind after his C/R so I'm ALL-IN.

Eddy didnt CR. Simon did. You are correct I should include 89 combos in Simons range also.

coillcam

Yeah sorry there, damn my thread hopping ways.

Your dead right 4 X 37 and blind(s) c. 150 PF. Now 520 and 150 (3.5-1) to you and last to act postflop.

I now like your hand, even with the with/out results. A shove seems good now. Makes it hard for either Jay or Eamonn (He won't be flat calling here with a set) to call given the action. You would then win 80+80 from those guys bets vs shorty, instant profit.

MrPillowTalk

They are both east shoves, but the reason Hand 1 is easy is because you basically never will seee the nut draw from Jay or Eamon here.

Jay will have JJ - AA and granted he will have the AK flush draw sometimes but will probably go for a crai on that flop with the nut draw given the ammount of customers. Once Eamon flat calls Jays flop bet he never ever has the nut draw, he would be mad not to ship it in with the nut draw and overs there.

Hand 2 is japaneesy.

BuChan

i think your shove was the right move but i think you should have been a lot more confident and taken less time. i was 100% sure you had a draw (i thought you had 6sxs) and not a set or two pair so you lost all your fold equity, not that it was terribly important though considering the pot size. after the

hand 2. you can never EVER fold your top two against simon there! i guess the question is more reraise the flop or call and take olly's line, i'd probably ship it in on the flop.