$50NL - Too weak? MUTBS?

Dantes

Table xxx (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em
Seat 1: Seat1 ($44.75)
Seat 2: Seat2 ($54.35), is sitting out
Seat 3: Seat3 ($65.45)
Seat 4: Villain ($48.50)
Seat 5: CO ($60.55)
Seat 6: Hero ($54.75)
Seat1 posts the small blind of $0.25
Seat3 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Js Qd]
Villain raises to $1.75
CO folds
Hero calls $1.75
Seat1 folds
Seat3 folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc Jd Jc]
Villain has 15 seconds left to act
Villain bets $3
Hero raises to $9
Villain calls $6
*** TURN *** [Kc Jd Jc] [Kh]
Villain bets $10
Hero calls $10
*** RIVER *** [Kc Jd Jc Kh] [Th]
Villain bets $27.75, and is all in
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $27.75 returned to Villain
Villain mucks
Villain wins the pot ($40.15)


Am I a girls blouse for folding here?

Thoughts on flop raise, turn call, and river fold please...

Villain is playing 16/14/2 over 42 hands at this stage.
He was pretty quiet on the table and I hadn't noticed him do anything crazy.
I was playing usual TAG, 3 betting every now and then, suppose I would be
seen as the main table aggressor.

Flushdraw

I dont like the PF call against a player that tight. I'd raise a little more on the flop, i'd fold turn/river

Mr.Plough

fold this pf, fold the river. its not mutbs, you only really beat air unless hes an idiot, or calling for a split at best

Flushdraw

Mr.Plough wrote:

fold this pf, fold the river. its not mutbs, you only really beat air and a weaker j unless hes an idiot

housey housey

Mr.Plough

Flushdraw wrote:

housey housey

ah its early

dvdfan

Dantes wrote:

Table xxx (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em
Seat 1: Seat1 ($44.75)
Seat 2: Seat2 ($54.35), is sitting out
Seat 3: Seat3 ($65.45)
Seat 4: Villain ($48.50)
Seat 5: CO ($60.55)
Seat 6: Hero ($54.75)
Seat1 posts the small blind of $0.25
Seat3 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Js Qd]
Villain raises to $1.75
CO folds
Hero calls $1.75
Seat1 folds
Seat3 folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc Jd Jc]
Villain has 15 seconds left to act
Villain bets $3
Hero raises to $9
Villain calls $6
*** TURN *** [Kc Jd Jc] [Kh]
Villain bets $10
Hero calls $10
*** RIVER *** [Kc Jd Jc Kh] [Th]
Villain bets $27.75, and is all in
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $27.75 returned to Villain
Villain mucks
Villain wins the pot ($40.15)


Am I a girls blouse for folding here?

Thoughts on flop raise, turn call, and river fold please...

Villain is playing 16/14/2 over 42 hands at this stage.
He was pretty quiet on the table and I hadn't noticed him do anything crazy.
I was playing usual TAG, 3 betting every now and then, suppose I would be
seen as the main table aggressor.

As said i dont like that call preflop, a player with a PFR of 14 raising from MP and you call with QJ, AQ,AJ,KQ,KJ which are all dominating you and are very much in his range. Theres very few flops you can win a big pot with this hand calling a raise and lots of flops you could lose a big pot.

Probably been a nit but i dont see what you beat on the turn either, i cant see any hand that he calls a flop rr with on that board and then leads the turn OOP that you beat, you may well be splitting but i think your behind alot more than your ahead here and hes bet sizing looks like he wants to keep you in it. Saying that a call isnt terrible but i dont think you get a cheap showdown enough to make the call profitable so id cut my loses on that horrible turn card IF you plan on folding to a river bet.

30something

Got to agree, the PF call was horrid. You played the flop fine but once he calls your raise and the 2nd K comes on the turn Im folding to his turn bet.

Think about it, there were two reasons to make a pre-flop raise. One is to get more money into the pot when you think you are ahead and secondly to "find out where you stood".

Once he calls the raise you have to give him credit for either a K or J.

Then the 2nd K comes on the turn. Now at best its a split and at worst you are drawing dead.

The River play was fine

Dantes

Is the pf call really so bad?

dvdfan

Dantes wrote:

Is the pf call really so bad?

I think so, say the flop comes Q high, do you really think hes raising with QT-Q2 here so you cant really value bet past the flop, if he calls the flop bet on Q high the you have to slow down so your not going to win a big pot. But if he bets the turn are you going to fold or call the turn and re-evaluate the river so your always losing biger pots than youll win and your not going to hit QJ or AKT flops often enough for this call to be +EV vs a tight player raising from MP.

Dantes

Hmmm, I suppose you are right DVDFan, I should dump it.

I suppose there is no merit to a 3 bet here? He's tight and in early position, prob has a good hand right...

ianmc38

easy fold. preflop is awful

30something

Dantes wrote:

I suppose there is no merit to a 3 bet here? He's tight and in early position, prob has a good hand right...

Correct, now if his stats were that he was LAG then 3 bet is great as you have FE and position if he calls.

valor

really dislike pf call, I would fold the river.

RedJoker

30something wrote:

Think about it, there were two reasons to make a pre-flop raise. One is to get more money into the pot when you think you are ahead and secondly to "find out where you stood".

To steal the blinds

To isolate the limper

To give yourself the lead in the pot

To disguise your range

To give yourself an image

....there's probably more.

dvdfan

RedJoker wrote:

To steal the blinds

To isolate the limper

To give yourself the lead in the pot

To disguise your range

To give yourself an image

....there's probably more.

I think he meant the flop raise Red

RedJoker

dvdfan wrote:

I think he meant the flop raise Red

Yeah you're probably right. The post makes more sense that way. Although there's still plenty of other reasons to raise post flop as well.

Also, raising to "find out where you stood" is a really bad reason to raise.

phantom_lord

i'd fold the turn.

Dantes

Thanks all for your replies. I feel like a proper donk for even posting it!!

I've been getting away with calling QJo from the button for far too long, time to cut it out, ty.

I called the turn bet because it seemed very weak and hoped for a cheap showdown.

I guess I call with this hand from the button because I feel pretty confident playing post flop at this level, and feel I can get a guy like this off of his non-king non-jack hands, saying that I realize now it is probably -EV trying this move overall.

Thanks Again.