.50/1 Hand

Theresalwaysone

I have been fairly active but have always shown down good hands. I outdraw two hand previous when a player called down PSB to river a flush on my top pair and I donkey called his serious overbet on the river.

Then this hand came up. Before I go on, I know I shouldnt be limping in 6max if I m going to play a hand but what with my image and the fact I just got outdraw I thought I'd mix it up.


Ok:

.50/1 6max, ipoker

barboevert is Button
Asticco ( Villain) is SB €120
Truffyman is BB
Hero Is CO €78

Hero is first to act. 75Hearts.

I call.

Button folds

SB completes

BB checks.

Pot= €3

Flop
Ad7d2h

Villain bets €4
BB folds
I call? ( comments )

Turn 3h
Pot €11

Villain Bets €7

Now, in hindsight I know I should have folded here. Mistake learnt from.

I call.

River is the Ah.

My question is, his range is ace rag, busted diamond draw, and bigger sevens than mine, I cant seem him having air here. I have a feeling he has ace rag epecially after his weakish turn bet.


So do I value bet now, check call? Check raise? I wasn't entirely sure what to do, if he had ace rag he could have just filled. If I raise is he calling with trips on that board or just with a house?

EDIT TO INCLUDE STACKS

valor

your turn call is totally standard

Theresalwaysone

Is it standard because I am to assume people will second barrell? Or what?

cardshark202

Preflop: Horrible
Flop: Very bad
Turn: Ok
River: cr. dunno how much, depends on stack sizes

valor

we have position, backdoor draw + might have the best hand

Rb

cardshark202 wrote:

Preflop: Horrible
Flop: Very bad
Turn: Ok
River: cr. dunno how much, depends on stack sizes

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Captain Tom

we're in position on the river, no?

what's up with all the talk of c/raising?

if he checks bet obviously. stack sizes are pretty important if he bets.

Theresalwaysone

I know preflop was horrible. Im not disputing that. Flop wasn't too bad I think. I was folding the turn if my hand didn't improve and I felt I might be in the lead.

Edit YES we are in position Tom, sorry, let me rephrase my question?


Is there any point in raising the river given the way the hand was played or is he only calling with a house on that board?

Rickyroma

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Is there any point in raising the river given the way the hand was played or is he only calling with a house on that board?

Yes, having hit a backdoor flush I raise here every time.

EDIT: pot is 27 correct? Bet out for 20, fold to a shove.

Captain Tom

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Is there any point in raising the river given the way the hand was played or is he only calling with a house on that board?

shove given stack sizes. it's very hard to put someone on a backdoor flush. he's gonna bet/call any ace.

edit: the stack sizes are relevant here because when you shove he's getting great odds and is much more likely to call with worse than if you were like 150bb deep or whatever.

cardshark202

Oops didnt see you were in position, raise and call a shove I guess

Van Dice

Don't see any problem with turn. If he bets river I shove. If he checks I bet about half pot and hope he calls with a 7, as I can't see why he would check an A.
You are very likely to get called by any A on the river. You will be behind a fair % of the time to a boat, but his river calling range is trips > 50% of the time, so it's a raise.
It gets tricky when you start the hand with 130 BBs or so, where if you raise river he can 3-bet AI and you're both committed and screwed! So with that stack I might prefer a call, with a deep stack it's not even close, raise. You have a perfectly sized stack to shove (why not 100BBs btw?).
Just going on what I think a standard .5/1 player would call with, obviously some idea of whether he is very loose/tight would have helped! Really doubt it would change my opinion of river anyway, but it might change the flop. I usually would fold the flop, people don't tend to lead with a hand worse than yours

Theresalwaysone wrote:

I know I shouldnt be limping in 6max if I m going to play a hand

Should go raise pre, cbet, check behind turn, raise AI river.

Theresalwaysone

Lets say villain bets 7 into me on the river?

RoundTower

fold flop, definitely don't fold turn.

If he bets 7 on river I probably make it 30 and call a shove, if I was observant enough to have any reads on my opponent I might shove, raise/fold, or just call.

Van Dice

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Lets say villain bets 7 into me on the river?

Raise to 20, obviously call shove.
If villain is donkey he will be happy to get it in with most aces. If villain is somehow very good, your line looks exactly like A6s/A5s, and it does not represent any hand that can beat something like AT other than a backdoored flush, but since the Ah hit, that doesn't make any sense either as the only other hand you could get there with is 7hxh which would be stoopid call on flop
If you are beat here it happens, but I am definitely happy to get AI here on the river.

mrflash

Horrible, 75 hearts, its no good, pair on board, low flush cards, its call only, you cannot be serious saying raise here.

Van Dice

mrflash wrote:

Horrible, 75 hearts, its no good, pair on board, low flush cards, its call only, you cannot be serious saying raise here.

I can and am serious!

Flushdraw

mrflash wrote:

Horrible, 75 hearts, its no good, pair on board, low flush cards, its call only, you cannot be serious saying raise here.

MUTBS?

Hectorjelly

id definitely raise the river, I usually wouldnt call a shove in a spot like this unless I had really priced myself in

RoundTower

mrflash wrote:

Horrible, 75 hearts, its no good, pair on board, low flush cards, its call only, you cannot be serious saying raise here.

I think you missed the bit where we have top trips and he has J high or something.