Value Bet this river?!woo foo!

AmarilloFats

1/2 party
Villain is way bad. 50/10 over 50 hands..not aggressive.
He calls down light so everybody optimally persistently trys to bluff him. k.
I had asked him to shift around a little to accommodate my broken leg - but alas he would nae budge - this has lead to a knifey cuttable ambiance

I have Js Ts


Villain calls (2)
HERO raises (8) to 8
Villain calls (6)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2s, Ad, Jd ]

Villain checks.
HERO bets (14.30)
Villain calls (14.30)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ Th ]

Villain checks.
HERO bets (44)
Villain calls (44)

** Dealing River ** : [ 6d ] POt is about 137. I have 127 left

Villain checks.
HERO ??

DEmeant0r

Are you betting/raising with no cards? What's your hand? Bah, Mr. Plough beat me to it!

AmarilloFats

Mr.Plough wrote:

i probably shove. only way you can win the pot without any cards

Tnx MP. Edited..

LuckyLloyd

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cardshark202

Yeah easy shove now.
nh

Scouser in Dub

Mr.Plough wrote:

stacks make it awkward but i expect him to donk it if he flushed so i bet 50-60 . he'll pay you off with any a or j by the looks of it. you'd be getting sick odds if he shoved but he's not raising with anything you beat

I am not sure I get this, if we can assume that the opponent in this hand never bluff check raises which I think we can, then we need to be ahead > 50% of the time if called, if so why not just shove?

phantom_lord

Hero puts his opponent to a decision for all of his chips

ianmc38

easy ship

Mr.Plough

Scouser in Dub wrote:

I am not sure I get this, if we can assume that the opponent in this hand never bluff check raises which I think we can, then we need to be ahead > 50% of the time if called, if so why not just shove?

yeah your right, contradicting myself.

Primewise

definately bet (possibly overbet) vs these players with 2 pair.. you won't always be right but you're missing out on huge value by not betting.


I found myself against one of these players last night. He was calling rivers with Ace high, 3rd pair, you name it.

He actually had a huge tank in front of him after doubling up and I was really hoping that he wouldn't lose it to someone else so I (unfairly) typed in the chat box "DONT CALL HE HAS A STRAIGHT" when another villain huuuugely overbet (10x the pot) an obvious straight on the river. Donk folded and the villain proceeded to (justifiably) type abuse at me in the chat box

tipp86

IMO i check the river the third diamond cant be a good card wit flop and turn call,remote possibility of KQ,the main question is what kind of hand does he call a shove with i would never consider this move if you value bet lets say 50and he shoves you surely cant be ahead.I feel the the check is the best move.

valor

shove

AmarilloFats

Results:

I bet half pot as i felt all in would fold his one pair hands.
he shoved - i called

he had 3d 5d ftw.