No no, no no no no, no no no no, no no, theres no limits

fuzzbox

1/2 6-max

button is some random shorty
bb is like 16/12 or something

Shorty has oh 50 or something, and bb has 200, hero covers.

Preflop
Hero opens to 5 with KcQd, btn calls, bb calls

Flop (16)
Kh Qc 8c
chk, hero bets 12, btn calls (I hate when they do that), bb calls

Turn (48)
2c
bb leads for 32, your move rat fans?

ligger

1st I get some new tunes
2nd I fold preflop
3rd now that I have top two I ship it in. Who cares about a flush being out there, he doesn't have it, does he know who you are...

Killme00

I find a fold here, he will have a flush more often than not

Edit to add 16/12 what does this mean?

ligger

Killme00 wrote:

Edit to add 16/12 what does this mean?

It means he is V tight and will nearly always have Top 2 beaten here. This is where you fold and tell everyone that Poker Ace/Gametime+ are worth their weight in gold.

Ste05

Why are you raising to 5 Pre-flop?? What position were you in, I presume the CO?

I suppose I call now and see what happens on the River. I can't see him having a lone Ac and to still be here now, so if we raise and he pushes we're folding and he folds nothing that beats us and calls with nothing that we beat.

Are you the BB here??

BigCityBanker

Why did you only open to 5 at 1/2?

I call turn bet and reassess on river, we potentially have a hell of alot of outs on the river.

cooker3

I call and evaluate on the river.
If he fires a big enough bet on the river >60% then I fold unless we hit again of course

The Snapper

fuzzbox wrote:

1/2 6-max

button is some random shorty
bb is like 16/12 or something

Shorty has oh 50 or something, and bb has 200, hero covers.

Preflop
Hero opens to 5 with KcQd, btn calls, bb calls

Is this your standard raise here ? Why so small ?

What (if any) hand can BB fold here. ?

kebabfest

I dont see any value in shipping the sherbit on the turn as he is only calling you with hands that beat you.
Call and then reassess on the river.
I would probably call a small bet on the river even without another club I reckon.

phantom_lord

yeah just call.

cardshark202

What his post flop AF, any other reads on the bb? I assume not. I expect most players to raise the flop with 88 there given the action. I lean towards raise-calling here.

fuzzbox

cardshark202 wrote:

I lean towards raise-calling here.

Why? What range do you give him that this would be the plan?

cardshark202

Well it really depends on how he plays postflop. How do you have him at 16/12 with no reads whatsoever on him postflop? If he's not a total nit postflop then raising seems good here. Its just calling and folding the river seems too weak.

fuzzbox

cardshark202 wrote:

Well it really depends on how he plays postflop. How do you have him at 16/12 with no reads on him postflop. If he's not a total nit postflop then raising seems good here

I dont know what other reads I need on a 16/12 dude. I just assume they are total nits

fuzzbox

cardshark202 wrote:

Its just calling and folding the river seems too weak.

Have we agreed to do this? Did I miss it?

cardshark202

theres a 16/12/0.5 and a 16/12/4.5
if he is normally really passive postflop then you can consider folding this turn.
if he's quite aggressive postflop you can prob raise and call a shove here
if he's somewhere in between then calling and calling a smallish river bet sounds good

fuzzbox

Results: well I folded. I thought the reverse implied odds of hitting a 2nd nut flush vs a made nut flush were too much, also, I wasnt sure I was going to see the river for 32, as shorty had 45 in front of him, and I couldnt imagine him folding.

Of course, shorty did fold so I'll never know.

RoundTower

fuzzbox wrote:

I wasnt sure I was going to see the river for 32, as shorty had 45 in front of him, and I couldnt imagine him folding.

I don't really understand this, you will be getting just as good odds with respect to the pot, and if the BB is tight the shorty is probably drawing almost dead. Also it makes it easier for you to play the river because you are less likely to be getting bluffed.

fuzzbox

RoundTower wrote:

I don't really understand this, you will be getting just as good odds with respect to the pot, and if the BB is tight the shorty is probably drawing almost dead. Also it makes it easier for you to play the river because you are less likely to be getting bluffed.

Yeah, but he's equally less likely to be bluffing the turn, since nobody expects shorty to fold here.

BigCityBanker

why such a small raise pre?

fuzzbox

BigCityBanker wrote:

why such a small raise pre?

why not

BigCityBanker

fuzzbox wrote:

why not

well i suppose it depends on the objective for your raise?

Hectorjelly

definitely call, you have outs for both a house and flush if you are behind. Also the shortie makes it less likely you are forced to an awkward decision.

Raising is just silly