€10,000 Guaranteed Prize Pool! €100+€20 1 rebuy OR top-up at €100

Four of a kind

1. Who is running the event (organisation, society etc.) FOUR OF A KIND POKER

2. The purpose of the event (charity, commercial etc.) CHARITY

3. Date and Location of event: SUNDAY 14TH OCT, ST. JOSEPHS HALL, BOYLE, CO.ROSCOMMON

4. Registration and Start time of event. REGISTRATION @3PM, STARTS @4PM

5. Any prerequisites (member of club, society etc) NO

6. How can tickets be purchased & is there a maximum number (in advance, at the door etc.) LIMITED TO 200 PLAYERS. CAN PRE-BOOK OR BUY TICKET AT THE DOOR

7. Type of Tournament (Hold'em/Omaha etc Freezeout/Rebuy etc.) TEXAS HOLD'EM TOURNAMENT

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1 REBUY OR TOP UP ALLOWED

8. Cost of entry and any subsequent rebuys/top-ups etc. €100 ENTRY. 1 REBUY OR TOP-UP AT €100

9. Cost of registration: €20

10. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund: €10,000 GUARANTEED ON THE NIGHT

11. Any guarenteed prize pool. YES

12. If applicable, Number of re-buys allowed and over what time frame/blind levels. 1 REBUY ALLOWED UP UNTIL THE TOP-UP TIME OF 3 HOURS IS REACHED.

13. Starting Chips: 10K

14. Rebuy and Top-up chip amounts. 10K

15. Blind levels: 25/50, 50/100, 75/150, 100/200, 150/300, 200/400 (END OF REBUY/TOP-UP STAGE) 300/600, 400/800, 500/100, 800/1500, 1000/2000, 1500/3000, 2000/4000, 3000/6000, 4000/8000, 5000/10000

16. Blind timeframes: 30 MINS UP UNTIL THE TOP-UP HAS ENDED, THEN 25 MINS THEREAFTER

17. Places being paid and if any prizes are other than cash (free entry to other tournie, merchandice etc) 10% OF FIELD

18. Are there going to be dealers - and their level of skill: DEALERS ON FINAL 2/3 TABLES. DEALERS HAVE GREAT EXPERIENCE.

19. Will there be a documented list of rules: YES

20. Is there a tournament director: YES

21. How are disputes handled - who has final say. TD


This is a fundraiser for Roscommon GAA in which we are running on their behalf.

I know a few commented on an earlier post that the above structure would be too long. We will introduce antes if needs be...depending on how many is playing and the pace of the tourney.

I've talked to alot of the regular players that will be playing in this and they are happy with the structure.

I know it might be an issue for those that may travel abit for the event, but I can provide a list and numbers of B+B's for anyone that needs them.


There will be a bar facility in the hall, along with hot food provided at the break stage.

Cash games will also be provided throughout the duration of the event complete with dealer and chips(no cash allowed on table)

There will be €10,000 paid out on the night(Hopefully that will be a minimum if numbers are high enough). It sounds a little "CPT" but its Roscommon GAA that want it this way. We can only promise that the structure will provide plenty of play and will not turn into a crap shoot as we will freeze the blinds as appropriate.

Any questions you can contact Carlo on 0868633592

BigDragon

Kilcock GAA Part II

Four of a kind

BigDragon wrote:

Kilcock GAA Part II

What do you mean by that?

We're hardly going to refuse to run a fundraiser for our county GAA club. We don't like the idea of potentially alot of money been taking in by the Club but as I stated in the original post...its out of our hands. We can just make sure that the structure will be geared towards poker players, and that it won't become a crap shoot at any stage.

BigDragon

Four of a kind wrote:

What do you mean by that?

We're hardly going to refuse to run a fundraiser for our county GAA club. We don't like the idea of potentially alot of money been taking in by the Club but as I stated in the original post...its out of our hands. We can just make sure that the structure will be geared towards poker players, and that it won't become a crap shoot at any stage.

Back a few years ago Kilcock GAA club ran a fundraiser that was the 2nd largest field in Ireland at the time of about 240 runners with €100 buyin and €10 multiple rebuys. (Yes you read that correctly)

At the end they had collected approx €36k.

They paid out €10k to the final table.

The return to players at fund raisers needs to to reasonable even if the game is very well run by a good TD.

This game sounds like its in the Kilcock bracket. Kilcock GAA club have had a few games since that have attracted a couple of dozen players and burnt their bridges.

If a GAA club ran a decent yearly game they would make repeated steady funds but a single shot at fleecing the player is -ev in the long run.

Not your fault, I know, but still it will prevent the game getting numbers from far afield travelling to it.

Good luck with the game.

ollyk1

BigDragon wrote:

Back a few years ago Kilcock GAA club ran a fundraiser that was the 2nd largest field in Ireland at the time of about 240 runners with €100 buyin and €10 multiple rebuys. (Yes you read that correctly)

At the end they had collected approx €36k.

They paid out €10k to the final table.

The return to players at fund raisers needs to to reasonable even if the game is very well run by a good TD.

This game sounds like its in the Kilcock bracket. Kilcock GAA club have had a few games since that have attracted a couple of dozen players and burnt their bridges.

If a GAA club ran a decent yearly game they would make repeated steady funds but a single shot at fleecing the player is -ev in the long run.

Not your fault, I know, but still it will prevent the game getting numbers from far afield travelling to it.

Good luck with the game.

This game also tarnished a good man's reputation very unfairly due to the committee men in the corner getting very attached to the cash that was paid in and not wanting to let a decent few quid go.

You're taking a serious reputational risk when you run this sort of thing Mr 4 of a kind if the prize pool is outside your control (or not agreed in advance) I wouldn't touch it if I were a professional organisation.

In fairness to the actual Kilcok game itself it was well run (ahem! ) and everyone had a great time but people don't take too long to do the sums and realise the prize pool has been raped. In these circumstances I think you'd be better off agreeing something like first €10k paid out and 50% of anything over that being paid and letting everyone know in advance what is being done. Then there can be no compalints after.

Good Luck with it

Four of a kind

I totally agree with ye both. And I'm of the same opinion as yourselves regarding prize pools been raped.

I rang up the county board this morning to see if we could stretch the prize pool a little further but I was informed that the signs/posters/advertisments for papers etc... have already begun.

I will however, talk to the other two guys that run this thing with me and see if we can somehow persuade the board to give a few more grand(providing decent numbers of course on the night)

I have serious quesiton marks over the kind of numbers that will turn up. Poker in Roscommon area...especially roscommon town is none existent. It might be the case where the numbers fail to make up the guaranteed prize pool.

But if the numbers turn out to be over 100, in which case the pot would be €20,000(providing everyone rebuys/tops up) then I will point out to the board/committee that it would be of benefit to them in the long run to maybe pay out €14,000/€15,000 grand on the night.

We don't like the idea just as much as anyone else does. We just could'nt refuse to run a fundraiser for them.

I personally think that once the cost of advertising for any fundraiser is covered and the organisers get their slice, then raising 2k or 3k for the cause is a good nights work.

semibluff

charities should take NO MORE than 50% of prizepool, but it should be alot closer to 25%, but either ways it should be stated before the start of the tournament by yourself over the mike. if then anyone has a problem, offer them their buy in back - even if 3/10 kick up, theyl be too embarressed to leave.
end of problem, once you make everyone aware.
If the Rosc GAA board are going ott, then the 50% they take should make sure that paying yourselves and the hotel and all other costs are taken out of their cut. This is a must IMHO, i run events like this for Gaa clubs and rugby/soccer clubs and this is the only way you should accept it. At the end of the day, its your area of expertise and not theirs

Four of a kind

semibluff wrote:

charities should take NO MORE than 50% of prizepool, but it should be alot closer to 25%, but either ways it should be stated before the start of the tournament by yourself over the mike. if then anyone has a problem, offer them their buy in back - even if 3/10 kick up, theyl be too embarressed to leave.
end of problem, once you make everyone aware.
If the Rosc GAA board are going ott, then the 50% they take should make sure that paying yourselves and the hotel and all other costs are taken out of their cut. This is a must IMHO, i run events like this for Gaa clubs and rugby/soccer clubs and this is the only way you should accept it. At the end of the day, its your area of expertise and not theirs

Yes I again agree. Thank you for your comment. We shall take that on board and DO somthing about it. All going well, there will be over 150 at this event and we'll then be in a position to decide what goes to the charity and whats paid out. I'm meeting with the board again next week and will state the above discussions regarding going OTT on the prize pool.

Cheers,
Carlo

Four of a kind

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96offsuit

I have to defend four of a kind here on this topic. As I've known Carlo and the lads over the past two years and have played in numerous of their events..I can honestly say that they've always wanted to run poker tournaments with the players in first priority.

I can see how they are in this predicament regarding Roscommon GAA and the possibility of only paying out €10,000 when there could be 200 players is something which I'm sure they will rectify. The lads are fair, honest guys who love to give value for money in every single event they run, whether its a weekly €50 FO or a monthly €100/€200 FO. Make no mistake, I've talked to Carlo about the above topic and he assured me that they will pay out more than the €10,000 providing that they get over 100 players on the day.

Everyone knows that GAA clubs are greedy, but they don't want their decent reputation as a poker organisation to go down the drain.

Unfortuanately I will not be able to make it to this event but would luv to as im sure it will be a serious value for money event.

just my two cents on the topic for all its worth.....

Mick

mrflash

I am in full agreement with the previous poster, i have travelled to some of the biggest games in ireland, and these guys run a game as well as any of the most respected organisations do in ireland. the only problem they have is numbers compared to the big cities. As a result they dont have dealers at tables, and thats the only thing i don't like about their games, because i'm lazy and hate dealing. They do deal the final table though.
The problem here is that its a fundraiser and the GAA are involved on some level with the money. The Grab All Association is just not trustworthy when it comes to money, so boys be careful, and please make it clear to everybody, before the event starts, exactly what the money situation is.
If this were a fundraiser for roscommon soccer, badminton, athletics, tug o war, chess or even tiddlywinks i would be playing, and i wish you the best of luck, but unfortunately i will not support that organisation under any circumstance, not even to the tune of one cent.

semibluff

mrflash wrote:

I am in full agreement with the previous poster, i have travelled to some of the biggest games in ireland, and these guys run a game as well as any of the most respected organisations do in ireland. the only problem they have is numbers compared to the big cities. As a result they dont have dealers at tables, and thats the only thing i don't like about their games, because i'm lazy and hate dealing. They do deal the final table though.
The problem here is that its a fundraiser and the GAA are involved on some level with the money. The Grab All Association is just not trustworthy when it comes to money, so boys be careful, and please make it clear to everybody, before the event starts, exactly what the money situation is.
If this were a fundraiser for roscommon soccer, badminton, athletics, tug o war, chess or even tiddlywinks i would be playing, and i wish you the best of luck, but unfortunately i will not support that organisation under any circumstance, not even to the tune of one cent.

jesus man, unless youve a good reason for this, that is a VERY sweeping statement

Four of a kind

mrflash wrote:

I am in full agreement with the previous poster, i have travelled to some of the biggest games in ireland, and these guys run a game as well as any of the most respected organisations do in ireland. the only problem they have is numbers compared to the big cities. As a result they dont have dealers at tables, and thats the only thing i don't like about their games, because i'm lazy and hate dealing. They do deal the final table though.
The problem here is that its a fundraiser and the GAA are involved on some level with the money. The Grab All Association is just not trustworthy when it comes to money, so boys be careful, and please make it clear to everybody, before the event starts, exactly what the money situation is.
If this were a fundraiser for roscommon soccer, badminton, athletics, tug o war, chess or even tiddlywinks i would be playing, and i wish you the best of luck, but unfortunately i will not support that organisation under any circumstance, not even to the tune of one cent.

How's things Flash? Long time no see. I dig everything you said. We will be careful and we will state BEFORE the tourney begins what the prize pool will be. We hope to get well over the 100 mark providing ROS GAA get up those signs and posters all over the place, and get the advertisment spot on. We offered to run the advertisment campaign but they were happy enough to do it themselves.

You should pop down to Boyle some thursday night for a a game in the moylourg....would be good to see ya again. Plus abit of the "Flash" would liven up some of the folks there

Shortstack

Four of a kind wrote:

We just could'nt refuse to run a fundraiser for them.

Grange Hill. I do it all the time when people ask me to run tournaments that they want to rape - If they want me to run it, they take 30% max or get someone else.

Four of a kind

Shortstack wrote:

Grange Hill. I do it all the time when people ask me to run tournaments that they want to rape - If they want me to run it, they take 30% max or get someone else.

We'll take all the above advice on board on the day.