Mondeo or Quasqui

spudulike

So for about the same money I could get a 1.6 Petrol Mondeo (base model) or a 1.5 Diesel Nissan Quasqui.

What would you do????

Tigger

spudulike wrote:

So for about the same money I could get a 1.6 Petrol Mondeo (base model) or a 1.5 Diesel Nissan Quasqui.

What would you do????

neither

siralfalot

spudulike wrote:

So for about the same money I could get a 1.6 Petrol Mondeo (base model) or a 1.5 Diesel Nissan Quasqui.

What would you do????

thats like saying, which is better, hanging or drowning? neither being a good option

prospect

AFAIR, a diesel Qashqai is about €26K.

Do you have to buy new? You could get a very decent used car for that money.

spudulike

I'm open to suggestion. What we're after is a reliable safe family car.... any ideas???

whippet

the Octavia has a great boot .. how about that?

If it is new I would go with the Mondeo with out a shadow of a doubt.

prospect

Well one thing worth noting is that the Qashqai is not a big car. The boot is no bigger than your average hatchback, and two people in the back is more than enough.

From your original selections I would guess you are not a motoring enthusiast, so what about these? :

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=761450

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=763288

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=742082

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=680347

Just suggestions.

Stark

whippet wrote:

the Octavia has a great boot .. how about that?

It sure does. Was on holidays recently and we hired out 2 rental cars, one of them being an Octavia. About 80% of the bags ended up in the Octavia. Sweet.

bazz26

Weird comparison as both cars are totally different in function.

I would avoid a 1.6 new shape Mondeo, 110bhp is simply not enough power to pull that large heavy body around. Also LX spec is pretty basic, terrible cheap looking plastic wheel trim, black exterior door handles look and no climate control, horrible imo. If you are bothered about the lack of power at least have a look out for a demo Zetec model. Ford dealers have plenty for sale now after the launch of the car so you should be able to get a decent deal on one.

The Nissan Cashcow (as it is known) is based on the Tiida platform. Smaller than the Mondeo. Don't really know too much on it other than they seem to be popular and are hard to get.

ballooba

prospect wrote:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=761450

Yes.

prospect wrote:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=742082

Yes. Might be a bit too big though.

prospect wrote:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=680347

Yes. Small engine. But with Leather.

rebel.ranter

Do you just like the look of these two motors? I
know there is a ridiculous waiting list for the Cash Cow, it'll be next year before you get a new one AFAIK.
If you are just looking for a car in general then let us know the following:

- how much you have to spend

- largest engine size you'll tax & run

- petrol or diesel

- oldest you'll go e.. 1-2yrs etc.

- intended use, e.g. 3 kids & a dog/family run about/mile muncher for work etc.

- anything you really want from the car or a "must have"
e.g towing ability/leather interior/Air Con/sun roof, etc.

E92

spudulike wrote:

I'm open to suggestion. What we're after is a reliable safe family car.... any ideas???

Avensis 1.6 Strata. Has plenty of gadgets, plus as it looks the same as the more expensive models, nobodys gonna know that really its the same as the poverty spec(base spec) model with alloy wheels and fog lights.
Being a Toyota it will never go wrong, and its as safe as a house, with 9 airbags as standard. Or if you do high enough mileage, a diesel Strata.

The 1.6 in the Avensis is reasonably quick, the Avensis weighs only 1245 kg, the Mondeo weighs around 200 kilos more, so therefore the small engine in the Avensis isn't as bad as one might think.

el tel

With this choice it has to be the Ford simply because the Nissan has the lamest, most pointless TV advertisement in recent memory. It is so bloody kack it isn't even funny.

Henry Ford III

E92 wrote:

Avensis 1.6 Strata. Has plenty of gadgets, plus as it looks the same as the more expensive models, nobodys gonna know that really its the same as the poverty spec(base spec) model with alloy wheels and fog lights.
Being a Toyota it will never go wrong, and its as safe as a house, with 9 airbags as standard. Or if you do high enough mileage, a diesel Strata.

The 1.6 in the Avensis is reasonably quick, the Avensis weighs only 1245 kg, the Mondeo weighs around 200 kilos more, so therefore the small engine in the Avensis isn't as bad as one might think.

No way José. It's slow. No need to talk about the driving dynamics here. All been said before.

E92

Ah come on, the OP clealy is not interested in cars. Therefore Driving Dynamics are of no importance and neither is power. I know the 1.6 Avensis(or indeed any Avensis) won't set the world alight, but it is Irelands best selling car in its class by a mile, and the OP wanted a car thats 'safe and reliable', in which case the Avensis ticks both boxes very well.

colm_mcm

*sits on fence* to avoid accusations of being biassed towards the obvious choice.

bazz26

Anyone looking for brilliant driving dynamics from a heavy family car with a 1.6 engine is looking in the wrong place whether it be Mondeo or Avensis, etc.

I would not recommend either if you do alot of driving outside urban areas.

spudulike

So it's a family car, no pets ! will be used for kid and work car (eventually) - that's about 250 kilometers mon-fri. Weekends tend to do alot of driving visiting families - mabey another 300 per weekend.

Would have gone for avensis - but my brother has the same car - so looking for something a bit different. Plus will be trading in a corolla so would like a change from Toyota.

Performace isn't a bug deal, but don't want a really sluggish ride either. Comfort is important - that 250 kilometers a week includes the M50 !

Henry Ford III

bazz26 wrote:

Anyone looking for brilliant driving dynamics from a heavy family car with a 1.6 engine is looking in the wrong place whether it be Mondeo or Avensis, etc.

I would not recommend either if you do alot of driving outside urban areas.

Driving dynamics of the new Mondeo are class leading bazz. Admittedly the 110bhp 1.6 isn't powerful. Ford should have sold the 125bhp version, but haven't (so far). Crazy decision.

c. 600 kilometres a week? I'd buy a lightly used diesel.

bazz26

The Volvo S40 is supposed to have some of the most comfortable seats around. Boot is a bit small though.

bazz26

Henry Ford III wrote:

Driving dynamics of the new Mondeo are class leading bazz. Admittedly the 110bhp 1.6 isn't powerful. Ford should have sold the 125bhp version, but haven't (so far). Crazy decision.

c. 600 kilometres a week? I'd buy a lightly used diesel.

I'm not denying that but it is of little relevance in a heavy car with a 1.6 litre engine so in that context it is a mooted point.

Very few people will throw these cars around to their limits to prove which has better driving dynamics so on that point there is very little between them imo.

RobAMerc

These cars wouldn't be naturally in the same sector normally.
the Qashqai was designed to be a competitor for the focus I think more so than the Mondeo.

Given the mileage your doing and given the strong residuals you'll get from it I would have to say the Nissan - I think I would probably go for the Mondeo myself simply because it would be a better car to drive but thats a heart not a head decision.

I would avoid the Avensis as I am still alive thank god, although a second hand option would probably make better financial sense.

ballooba

RobAMerc wrote:

I would avoid the Avensis as I am still alive thank god, although a second hand option would probably make better financial sense.

Em.. that's abit cryptic. Do you mean that they are for old people? If I was looking for a family car I'd go for the Avensis. I drove a Passat for a year before I decided I was too young for it. I bought the least sensible car I could find then. A LWB Landcruiser commercial.

Henry Ford III

bazz26 wrote:

I'm not denying that but it is of little relevance in a heavy car with a 1.6 litre engine so in that context it is a mooted point.

Very few people will throw these cars around to their limits to prove which has better driving dynamics so on that point there is very little between them imo.

Matter of opinion only. My view is that lower powered and specced cars appear to be the norm in the Irish market. Probably VRT based thinking.

People tend to drive quite quickly even in lower powered vehicles, and therefore handling is critical.

If you never test the cars abilities, an Avensis may be ideal though.

RobAMerc

ballooba wrote:

Em.. that's abit cryptic. Do you mean that they are for old people? If I was looking for a family car I'd go for the Avensis.

No, I mean I don't like them
But for the OP a second hand one might be a good choice.
You could be right about my criptisim though, apologies.

E92

600 km a week is about 400 miles a week isn't it? Well thats about 20,000 miles a year. I change it from a petrol Avensis to a diesel Avensis. A diesel version of any car of that typre is a much better choice as its way, way faster than any petrol of similar power, and obviously the superior fuel economy that comes with it too.
Or alternatively, a Mazda 6 Diesel(though they are a noisy car), old Mondeo or new Mondeo Zetec TDCi.

wingnut

COuld be worth checking how much VRT would be on a new Mondeo import. The base spec in the UK is the 125bhp 1.6 with cruise control as standard.

colm_mcm

just to give my 2c worth on a few opinions:

Mondeo: I drove the 1.8 TDCI and was impressed by the steering, found the interior of the LX a bit nasty, but I'm sure the higher spec models are beter trimmed.

Had an S40 1.6 SE for a week, and as stated previously the boot is very small. Also interior space is quite limited, the seats are very comfortable, but IMO the price is too high for a Corolla sized car. It is very well built inside, but at the end of it, it's just a high spec Focus. Complete lack of cupholders is a bit strange as well.

You could get a new Corolla Luna 1.4 D-4D for the same price as a new Avensis 1.6 Strata, with everything the Avensis has plus armrest, leather steering wheel and gearknob.

maidhc

colm_mcm wrote:

You could get a new Corolla Luna 1.4 D-4D for the same price as a new Avensis 1.6 Strata, with everything the Avensis has plus armrest, leather steering wheel and gearknob.

Not a bad option considering the Corolla is as almost big as the Mk1 Avensis. The 1.4 won't win too many performance records, but definately a more sensible suggestion than that hideous nissan thing.

colm_mcm

The Corolla is only 3in shorter than the current Avensis, and mirror to mirror, they're the same width. The Avensis has much better use of interior space though, and the higher seating position makes rear legroom a lot bigger.
The diesel Corolla would be quicker and more efficent than the 1.6 Avensis.

Corollas of any description are very difficult to buy at the moment though.

maidhc

colm_mcm wrote:

Corollas of any description are very difficult to buy at the moment though.

I was offered a 12 mth old one recently for about 1500 less than a new one! :eek:

colm_mcm

I sold my 6 month old company one with extras for the same price as a new one with extras.

Supply and demand!

E92

That shows as much about the publics lack of interest in cars overall, as well as how remarkably sucessful Toyota Ireland are.

maidhc

E92 wrote:

That shows as much about the publics lack of interest in cars overall, as well as how remarkably sucessful Toyota Ireland are.

People are interested in cars that suit them. They research the different models and buy what they consider most prudent. e.g. there are good and valid reasons why the Rx8 or BMW 750iL are not big sellers!

Toyota for the most part don't give a flying feic for the views of people on Boards, but concentrate in what the public want.... and that is why they have become the largest car manufacturing concern in the world.

Ice_Box

spudulike wrote:

So for about the same money I could get a 1.6 Petrol Mondeo (base model) or a 1.5 Diesel Nissan Quasqui.

What would you do????

If you're a woman get the squashie. if you have two kids get the mondeo. If you're in none of the categories get something else.

Henry Ford III

colm_mcm wrote:

I sold my 6 month old company one with extras for the same price as a new one with extras.

Supply and demand!

Fools and their money?

RobAMerc

maidhc wrote:

People are interested in cars that suit them. They research the different models and buy what they consider most prudent. e.g. there are good and valid reasons why the Rx8 or BMW 750iL are not big sellers!

They are niche cars ?

maidhc wrote:

and that is why they have become the largest car manufacturing concern in the world.

not yet actually - and just because they sell more than anyone else doesn't mean there better than anyone else. -
Brittany Spears might sell more records than Van Morrison - does that mean shes better ?

Henry Ford III

colm_mcm wrote:

just to give my 2c worth on a few opinions:

Mondeo: I drove the 1.8 TDCI and was impressed by the steering, found the interior of the LX a bit nasty, but I'm sure the higher spec models are beter trimmed.

Had an S40 1.6 SE for a week, and as stated previously the boot is very small. Also interior space is quite limited, the seats are very comfortable, but IMO the price is too high for a Corolla sized car. It is very well built inside, but at the end of it, it's just a high spec Focus. Complete lack of cupholders is a bit strange as well.

You could get a new Corolla Luna 1.4 D-4D for the same price as a new Avensis 1.6 Strata, with everything the Avensis has plus armrest, leather steering wheel and gearknob.

That's a rather blatant piece of cheap marketing, even for you Colm

bazz26

Henry Ford III wrote:

Fools and their money?

Buying a brand new Mondeo may not be the cleverest thing to do with your money either Henry considering the high depreciation it suffers from.

prospect

A car that barely depreciates is almost as bad as one that depreciates loads (from a private sale p.o.v.)

Who in their right mind would buy a 1y.o. Avensis etc. for only €1K less than a brand new one with an extra years warranty?

bazz26

RobAMerc wrote:

They are niche cars ?


not yet actually - and just because they sell more than anyone else doesn't mean there better than anyone else. -
Brittany Spears might sell more records than Van Morrison - does that mean shes better ?

Just because some people don't like a particular brand doesn't make them an inferior product.

RobAMerc

bazz26 wrote:

Just because some people don't like a particular brand doesn't make them an inferior product.

I don't like them because I think they are an inferior product - but I am looking for a bit more from my car than I do my fridge.

Henry Ford III

bazz26 wrote:

Buying a brand new Mondeo may not be the cleverest thing to do with your money either Henry considering the high depreciation it suffers from.

I agree bazz. Buy a used one.


p.s. Same logic applies to all cars of this class.

bazz26

RobAMerc wrote:

I don't like them because I think they are an inferior product - but I am looking for a bit more from my car than I do my fridge.

Inferior product to what may I ask? I just don't see that much of a difference in what these cars are competing with.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but at the end of the day that is all it is. And you may look for different things in a car to other people but that doesn't make their choice any less relevant or inferior imo.

To some people a car is not the centre of their world and as such they choose one that will give them as less bother to their daily life as possible. Someone has to sell them such a product and Toyota have done it very well over the years. At the end of the day people need cars like they do fridges (as you put it), which car, fridge or tv you choose depends on what you want or need. Doesn't make one any less inferior to the other.

RobAMerc

I am not going to get into this with you here bazz, but as an out and out car nut - ( I mean since I could walk not since I bought a new car), I can honestly say hand on heart that Toyota's do nothing for me.

They have had a few exceptions, mk1 MR2, Supra and of course the mk1 Twin Cam, but on a whole even talking about them bores me senseless.

I presume people who buy them buy their cars the way I buy a fridge - I listen to the sales man and then go for middle of the road abilities and cost.

bazz26

RobAMerc wrote:

I am not going to get into this with you here bazz, but as an out and out car nut - ( I mean since I could walk not since I bought a new car), I can honestly say hand on heart that Toyota's do nothing for me.

They have had a few exceptions, mk1 MR2, Supra and of course the mk1 Twin Cam, but on a whole even talking about them bores me senseless.

I presume people who buy them buy their cars the way I buy a fridge - I listen to the sales man and then go for middle of the road abilities and cost.

I suppose whatever floats your boat.

colm_mcm

Henry Ford III wrote:

That's a rather blatant piece of cheap marketing, even for you Colm

I did also state that they were not generally available, to be fair, if someone is familiar with the spec on an Avensis Strata, which is essentially the same spec as it was launched with in 2003, it's much quicker to list the extra kit than to list everything a Corolla Luna has as standard. If I was advertising something, surely I would plug an Avensis, which I can get!

colm_mcm

Henry Ford III wrote:

That's a rather blatant piece of cheap marketing, even for you Colm

I did also state that they were not generally available, to be fair, if someone is familiar with the spec on an Avensis Strata, which is essentially the same spec as it was launched with in 2003, it's much quicker to list the extra kit than to list everything a Corolla Luna has as standard. If I was advertising something, surely I would plug an Avensis, which I can get!

Henry Ford III

colm_mcm wrote:

I did also state that they were not generally available, to be fair, if someone is familiar with the spec on an Avensis Strata, which is essentially the same spec as it was launched with in 2003, it's much quicker to list the extra kit than to list everything a Corolla Luna has as standard. If I was advertising something, surely I would plug an Avensis, which I can get!

You just did!