Collusion?!

Czarina

Was playing in a tourney a couple of weeks ago, small stakes, final table.

4 players left, I was chip lead, my bf also at final table was short stack. Blinds 1000/2000. I limp, my bf moves all in for about another 5000, I fold 4c5h.


The guy between us (obviously knows we're a couple) starts accusing us of colluding?! Apparently it was obvious he was going all-in and I shouldn't have called the blind if I wasn't going to call him. I genuinely didn't realise this was the case, thought at the very least we'd see a flop, and found the (serious) accusation quite offensive.

Thoughts?

ollyk1

Czarina wrote:

Was playing in a tourney a couple of weeks ago, small stakes, final table.

4 players left, I was chip lead, my bf also at final table was short stack. Blinds 1000/2000. I limp, my bf moves all in for about another 5000, I fold 4c5h.


The guy between us (obviously knows we're a couple) starts accusing us of colluding?! Apparently it was obvious he was going all-in and I shouldn't have called the blind if I wasn't going to call him. I genuinely didn't realise this was the case, thought at the very least we'd see a flop, and found the (serious) accusation quite offensive.

Thoughts?

It looks bad but given your cards it looks more like a case of you were playing bad. Did you show the rags??

Scouser in Dub

While I don't doubt that you thought you would see a flop and never intended to dump chips to your partner I can see the guys point. You should never limp in this position but once you do you really can't fold there, there is 10k in the pot and you have to put in 3k to win.

StraddleFor6

I can see how this looks like collusion.

LuckyLloyd

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Czarina

Yes I showed, it was prob a bad call on my part but I had a feeling the other guy was going to fold which meant I would have been seeing a flop against the SB and BB.

Mr.Plough

was this in the jackpot?

i vaguely remember something like this happening with a blonde couple

Czarina

I'm not new to the game, but not as experienced as the guy who accused me either. My bf is a very tight player, I know from experience that he is more likely to wait for a hand to make a move then to push at every opportunity. When he moved all in I put him on Ax so I didn't like my odds.

It might not have been a bad call but I don't think it would have been a great call either?

Also this wasn't a stranger, it's a guy we have played against reasonably regularly, we play in this place about twice a week, know the people well and have never been accused of anything like that before?

Czarina

LuckyLloyd wrote:

I see that you were the button and the bf the BB (I misread your original post). The extra 1k from the folded small blind does make it more of a call as it is exactly 2 / 1 (5k to win 10k).

But if you're getting 2/1 on you're money and you think your odds of hitting are more like 4 or 5/1 then why would you call?

LuckyLloyd

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ollyk1

Czarina wrote:

He's already all in!

When you limped in for 2k he wasn't all-in. You should be putting him all-in!!

Do you play in the SE? Do you have blonde hair? Does your boyfriend have dark hair? Early 30's??

Welcome to boards by the way.

ollyk1

Czarina wrote:

But if you're getting 2/1 on you're money and you think your odds of hitting are more like 4 or 5/1 then why would you call?

If he has Ax (X higher than a 5) and both your cards are live you are only a 6/4 dog.

Lafortezza

LL means raise first, instead of limping.

It might look like collusion to the other guy, but no TD would rule it that way unless he watched you and boyfriend play together for a while and saw something dodgy.

LuckyLloyd

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Czarina

LuckyLloyd wrote:

It's not great play though I'm afraid!!

I'm ok with being told I made a bad call, that happens. Being accused of collusion was not nice at all, esp as now I feel paranoid even being at the same table as either him or my bf in a tourney.

ollyk1

Czarina wrote:

I'm ok with being told I made a bad call, that happens. Being accused of collusion was not nice at all, esp as now I feel paranoid even being at the same table as either him or my bf in a tourney.

Have a word with the guy away from the table some night and explain to him that you played the hand badly and clear the air. He probably regrets saying it at this stage too. It was probably a heat of the moment thing born of frustration more than anything else.

Czarina

lafortezza wrote:

LL means raise first, instead of limping.

It might look like collusion to the other guy, but no TD would rule it that way unless he watched you and boyfriend play together for a while and saw something dodgy.

That's why I found it so offensive. We have been playing in this place about twice a week for about the last 6 months. If we were strangers that could have looked dodgy maybe, but the dealers, TD and other players all know us, and well enough that they could easily have realised I made a bad play rather then anything suspicious.

LuckyLloyd

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RoundTower

lol at everyone analysing how you should have played the hand.

It does unfortunately look like it might be collusion, but then so could almost any hand where the two of you are involved. It's impossible to tell from just one or two hands and the guy was probably just pissed off you didn't try to knock another player out.

Czarina

ollyk1 wrote:

Have a word with the guy away from the table some night and explain to him that you played the hand badly and clear the air. He probably regrets saying it at this stage too. It was probably a heat of the moment thing born of frustration more than anything else.

I won the tournament, later that night he apologised but begrudgingly, and then said 'I just don't like to see that sort of thing happening' in such a way that I took it to mean, I'm sorry I said it but I still think you were colluding.

It was him I was heads up with and it definately effected my play.

Mr.Plough

Czarina wrote:

It was him I was heads up with and it definately effected my play.

in such a way that made you take it down? pay someone to accuse you of collusion more often:cool:

LuckyLloyd

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Czarina

RoundTower wrote:

so could almost any hand where the two of you are involved.

Exactly. Anyone could say that about any hand we're in together unless we both show which we're obviously not going to. It's funny really because we're actually really competitive in poker and wouldn't hesitate to try and knock each other out if we thought we could.

Czarina

Mr.Plough wrote:

in such a way that made you take it down? pay someone to accuse you of collusion more often:cool:

I caught a set off the flop, he caught top pair. It was brilliant actually, I gave this real weak looking check cos I knew he'd move all in...

But that was luck more then anything, it did make me feel very uncomfortable and left a bad atmosphere at the table in general.

By the way thanks for the welcomes, been reading here for ages, kept meaning to post so thought I'd seek opinions on this.

5starpool

Don't worry about it. What you do need to worry about though is that you folded in a situation where you should have, but also limped in a situation where you shouldn't have.

aodea

well me and my boyfriend ditpoker get accussed of this all the time. what u wanna do is knock him out every now and again and then tell everyone on boards about how u got him good. that way it gets out that you are willing to knock him out. i fear i may have said to much.

Czarina

aodea wrote:

well me and my boyfriend ditpoker get accussed of this all the time. what u wanna do is knock him out every now and again and then tell everyone on boards about how u got him good. that way it gets out that you are willing to knock him out. i fear i may have said to much.

I am more then willing to knock him out!

It usually doesn't happen because we're both quite tight players, so if one of us raises big the other tends to fold unless we have great hole cards. We're great at reading each other most of the time because we play together so much. Hardly amounts to collusion though.