Teaching Beginners - Lesson 1

Rickyroma

I am going to teach my sis and a couple of her mates how to play poker, first lesson tomorrow. Hopefully a new breed of weak-tight nits who massively over-value overpairs will soon be unleashed on the Dublin poker scene. Starting out with Pot Limit Holdem. My plan for the session is as follows -

1. The Rules. Hole cards, flop, turn etc, small and big blinds, betting order.

2. Starting Hands. Ranges and relative strengths.

3. Position. This is pretty much the single most important feature of play right?

4. Folding. I think the biggest mistake most beginners make is not letting go of their gutshot draws and low to middle pairs.


Am I missing any fundamentals?? What do you reckon should be the single most important concept they take away??

Mr.Plough

odds. ev.

Rb

What age are said females?

Rickyroma

rb_ie wrote:

What age are said females?

Erm....not sure I should answer this...but late twenties. I think their primary motivation is to take their respective boyfriends to the cleaners unexpectedly.

Captain Tom

5. raising for information.

phantom_lord

damn u capt. tom!

AdMMM

When you're demonstrating how unlikely it is for 27o to crack aces fix the deck everytime! I was unfortunate enough to deal two pair the first time I was proving to my girlfriend why you shouldn't ever play 27o!

cardshark202

"Stick with the aces and the kings, leave the other hands to the pros"

Lafortezza

Dont be afraid to fold your SB alot, and then get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

Rb

lafortezza wrote:

Dont be afraid to fold your SB alot, and then get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

Def best advice so far.

Van Dice

Rickyroma wrote:

1. The Rules. Hole cards, flop, turn etc, small and big blinds, betting order.

2. Starting Hands. Ranges and relative strengths.

3. Position. This is pretty much the single most important feature of play right?

4. Folding. I think the biggest mistake most beginners make is not letting go of their gutshot draws and low to middle pairs.


Am I missing any fundamentals?? What do you reckon should be the single most important concept they take away??

lol tons of people I play with regularly don't understand 2 or 3!

Theresalwaysone

What the hell is position?

Van Dice

Theresalwaysone wrote:

What the hell is position?

Rickyroma wrote:

I am going to teach my sis and a couple of her mates how to..

wrong forum?!

valor

the first lesson should probably just be #1 on repeat because they will forget/**** it up

Wisesmurf

Mike Caro and the poker parrot thought me weak means strong and strong means weak.

BAWK!

AdMMM

Theresalwaysone wrote:

What the hell is position?

Ah you see in Poker this is something you must master! You must always sit in a seat that's closest to the toilets! The nearer you are to the toilets, the more hands you play as you will spend less time going to and from the toilets! Get me?

5starpool

Whatever the hell you teach them, the most important thing should be how to handle chips and not to slow the game down by asking repeatedly "how much is it" or "how much is this chip worth again" or "is it up to me" or "oh sorry was it not my turn". Nothing creams beginner like it. On the other hand if they show a natural ability or some such, then the above can be a very effective way to get paid off.

Tar.Aldarion

If you see patterns in their play, like always checking the nuts etc then tell them to always act the same, bluffing or not.

brianmc

Big pots with big hands. Smaller pots with smaller hands.

buck65

play premium cards,no point bluffing at this level as most games I play in (donkey derbys) people will call call call all night long, even all in with a pair of 4's with 3 overcards on the board (this actually happened friday night) and the guy wasn't semi bluffing he thought he was winning!!

AmarilloFats

arrange a place and time to do the lesson...
Then don't turn up - teaches them the most important lesson of all!! LOL

5starpool

Also, teach them poker etiquette and that slowrollers should be tortured. Poor Frank Hunt got slowrolled the other night in holdem. Frank flopped a straight and got it all in on the flop. The board paired on the river to fill up a guy who waited about 10 seconds after Frank showed and them flipped his cards over. He then shook hands with his mate a couple of hands away, receiving congratulations. slowrolling is bad, mkay?

LuckyLloyd

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Mr.Plough

make sure they put their opponents to a decision for all their chips

nice1franko

make sure to tell them that if they're feeling lucky or are "on a roll" to jam it all in with any 2 cards. valuable lesson.

Ste05

Rickyroma wrote:

Erm....not sure I should answer this...but late twenties.

Emmm, why has no-one said more about this one huge piece of information. You have the undivided attention of a group of late 20's girls/women, and you want to be nattering on about slowrolling, ranges and position?? No!! No!! No!!

You want to get out a few bottles of wine to "make the game more enjoyable" and towards the end of the night obviously a game of strip poker and "truth or dare" will ensue, culminating in some kind of underwear pillow fight/ Benny Hill hilarity/ [insert other more "racy" possibility here]. Yes my mind did run away with me there, but come on people!!

This is a golden opportunity, don't let it pass. Poker should be fun, keep it light, bang on about the rules, following the action, then mention the one thing all beginners should know: If a hand is worth playing, it's worth raising, therefore if it's not worth raising, just fold that Mofo!! If they enjoy the game then they can learn more of the finer points.

Chucky the tree

photos?

buck65

lol
my post exactly u beat me too it

5starpool

Ste05 wrote:

Emmm, why has no-one said more about this one huge piece of information. You have the undivided attention of a group of late 20's girls/women, and you want to be nattering on about slowrolling, ranges and position?? No!! No!! No!!

You want to get out a few bottles of wine to "make the game more enjoyable" and towards the end of the night obviously a game of strip poker and "truth or dare" will ensue, culminating in some kind of underwear pillow fight/ Benny Hill hilarity/ [insert other more "racy" possibility here]. Yes my mind did run away with me there, but come on people!!

I was going to mention this but a couple of key words stopped me. In no particular order those words are:

Sister
Boyfriends

Ste05

5starpool wrote:

I was going to mention this but a couple of key words stopped me. In no particular order those words are:

Sister
Boyfriends

Yes, the former was a slight stumbling block for me, but I decided that you just get her blotto and send her off to bed, the latter will just mean the girls wake up with pangs of guilt, but meh, I'm OK with that... LOL

Theresalwaysone

Boyfriends are a pity, not a problem.....;)

And sisters... Im not touching that one.

hotspur

Rickyroma wrote:

I think their primary motivation is to take their respective boyfriends to the cleaners unexpectedly.

1. Fake riffling
2. Bottom dealing
3. Palming
4. Marking cards
5. Clever use of mirroring rings
5. Shorting like they're Puggy Pearson
6. The tourny strategy of Men the Master
7. If they are upper middle class - the power of a huge stack
8. if they are working class - the power of balaclavas and a shotgun

kincsem

I expect two problems -

1 They will play two suited cards every time, and call, and call with them.
2 They will show each other their cards, and ask each other what should they do.