QQ facing 4 bet pre-flop...Opening night at Cool Hand Lukes

Rickyroma

Level 4 after the break, blinds are 100-200.

I have 16,000 and am dealt QQ in mid position. Folded to me and I raise to 600, SB (active but mistake free so far) re-raises to 2600. SB is playing 20k.

EDIT: Raiser is actually OTB. (Cheers cardshark).

BB pauses and 4-bets to 8k.

EDIT: BB is actually SB.

I have absolutely no reads on the BB as this is his first hand at the table. He is playing at least 25k and is comfortably table chip-leader.

So, pot is 11,500, I have 15,000 left. I'm assuming my decision is all-in or fold ( ? ) with the SB still to act.

So which is it?

Captain Tom

fold. live players generally dont 3-bet light nevermind 4-bet. plus since it's the bbs first hand he's never gonna do anything crazy.

cardshark202

Which table were you on? I remember 3 betting to 2600 vs a guy who claimed he had JJ, except I was on the button and it was the SB who 4bet to 8k

Moro Man

Rickyroma wrote:

Level 4 after the break, blinds are 100-200.

I have 16,000 and am dealt QQ in mid position. Folded to me and I raise to 600, SB (active but mistake free so far) re-raises to 2600. SB is playing 20k.

BB pauses and 4-bets to 8k.

I have absolutely no reads on the BB as this is his first hand at the table. He is playing at least 25k and is comfortably table chip-leader.

So, pot is 11,500, I have 15,000 left. I'm assuming my decision is all-in or fold ( ? ) with the SB still to act.

So which is it?

to be quite honest...... you're not playing bridge or chess so there is no real definitive answer from what info you have given.......... Do you think he has any one of thre following

AK ure 50 50

AA or KK ure f**ked

JJ or worse ure elected.....

He could have any of them depending on the player and if he's a load of chips and you've no other read he may even have AQ or AJ.......

Make a decision... If you're right you're a genius and if you're wrong you're a mug. But at the end of the day no one really gives a ****

RoundTower

I fold, a randomer here rarely has JJ or worse.

RoadSweeper

you only have 3 BB invested, i think its a definate fold given the action and info.

Hitman Actual

Moro Man wrote:

to be quite honest...... you're not playing bridge or chess so there is no real definitive answer from what info you have given.......... Do you think he has any one of thre following

AK ure 50 50

AA or KK ure f**ked

JJ or worse ure elected.....

He could have any of them depending on the player and if he's a load of chips and you've no other read he may even have AQ or AJ.......

Make a decision... If you're right you're a genius and if you're wrong you're a mug. But at the end of the day no one really gives a ****

Most pointless reply ever. Why did you bother?

Macspower

RoadSweeper wrote:

you only have 3 BB invested, i think its a definate fold given the action and info.

Just a nit pick... you can't base your decision on how much you have invested here.... You have to make the decision on whether you think your good or not...

Personally I think your not good and would muck em....

Van Dice

cardshark202 wrote:

Which table were you on? I remember 3 betting to 2600 vs a guy who claimed he had JJ, except I was on the button and it was the SB who 4bet to 8k

Do you 3 bet every single hand?!

RoadSweeper

Macspower wrote:

Just a nit pick... you can't base your decision on how much you have invested here.... You have to make the decision on whether you think your good or not...

Personally I think your not good and would muck em....

agreed, but its still no harm to mention how little invested.

David Michael

RoadSweeper wrote:

agreed, but its still no harm to mention how little invested.

Indeed. It is important given so little. It goes without saying if a litte more than "a bit" of my stack was involved I'd be inclined to consider an AI.

For me it is a fold..after a good think. It would be a kick in the balls to see someone turn over TT but thats life.

I'd have been inclined to go 1000/1200 PF though. I find with JJ/QQ it is better to know where you stand PF than messing about afterwards.

Lazare

Moro Man wrote:

to be quite honest...... you're not playing bridge or chess so there is no real definitive answer from what info you have given.......... Do you think he has any one of thre following

AK ure 50 50

AA or KK ure f**ked

JJ or worse ure elected.....

He could have any of them depending on the player and if he's a load of chips and you've no other read he may even have AQ or AJ.......

Make a decision... If you're right you're a genius and if you're wrong you're a mug. But at the end of the day no one really gives a ****

Every post I've read of yours (including your other username) have been nothing but sh1t stirring nonsence, not to mention clueless (poker wise). Why don't you do us all a favour?


OP, you have Reggie's range crushed there, but you're rarely ahead of the BB, a reluctant fold.

Hitman Actual

David Michael wrote:

I'd have been inclined to go 1000/1200 PF though. I find with JJ/QQ it is better to know where you stand PF than messing about afterwards.

5x or 6xBB is overkill, I think. And it won't give you any more information than a 4xBB raise. Just play it normally, 3x or 4xBB.

phantom_lord

easy fold.

kincsem

Table 6, seat 4 ?

Rickyroma

cardshark202 wrote:

Which table were you on? I remember 3 betting to 2600 vs a guy who claimed he had JJ, except I was on the button and it was the SB who 4bet to 8k

Yep, that was me. Upstairs, table 7 or 8. Will edit OP now. I lied and said JJ because I was seriously considering a shove and really wasn't sure if I was being a ridiculous nit folding QQ ( I don't play tourneys ).

I got the feeling that my table image must have been very weak-tight - you 3bet me a couple of times and snapped off one of my c-bets about the same time as this hand - I got the impression that I was being targetted so I rocked up for an hour - is this fair comment or am I reading too much into this and other people just found hands?


But you were very unlucky on my shortstack shove when I rivered a flush against your kings.

cardshark202

I had you down as one of the better players on the table; well one of the only people at the table who had any idea what they were doing. Consequently I figured you were raising lighter than most of the players so I could 3bet you without a monster! I had AQs in the above hand btw.

Rickyroma

cardshark202 wrote:

I had you down as one of the better players on the table; well one of the only people at the table who had any idea what they were doing. Consequently I figured you were raising lighter than most of the players so I could 3bet you without a monster! I had AQs in the above hand btw.

Ha ha! You said you folded AK far as I remember! Love the fact that we both economised with the truth.

Overall was reasonably happy with my play; was crippled when I bet out on my set of 7s on an all diamond flop and called the all in getting 3.5:1. Guy turns over pocket 3s with a diamond and rivers a 3 high flush (and a runner runner straight for good measure)! Thought that was a shocking move.

Rivered the flush against you 2 hands later and then next hand JJ no good against AQ aipf for a 3rd rivered flush in 5 hands! Eventful few minutes.



Thanks to all who replied- much appreciated.

David Michael

lenny_leonard wrote:

5x or 6xBB is overkill, I think. And it won't give you any more information than a 4xBB raise. Just play it normally, 3x or 4xBB.

I understand what you are saying but I am a victim of so many dodgy calls online (My buy in tournies are not that large) that I have a tendency to go over the normal BB raise with TT/JJ/QQ when the blinds are small in relation to the stacks early in tournies as you will get called by arse all Even worse when they hit on a low flop or their Ax spikes one.

I in now way suggest my play is correct but I hope you see were I am coming from! I am proud to have my L plates on. And I have not trimed off the white bits

On that note I'd like to say I appreciate all the posts on this and the other poker board as you lot have provided me with valuable insights into the game and play in general

Thanks!