WSOPE Update

Betfair

David Wilson from Betfair Poker here. Some of you may already know me, so I thought it was about time I introduced myself to the rest!

As you will all be aware the WSOPE is taking place in London from September 10th – 16th. There are obviously loads of ways to qualify online, but here in Ireland there are other ways;

The Macau Sporting Club, Cork - August 25th - €200 + €20, with one re-buy/top-up (€200).
ONE PACKAGE GUARANTEED.

Celtic Poker Tour, Naas - August 24TH - €200 + €20, with one re-buy/top-up (€100).
ONE PACKAGE GUARANTEED

We are hoping to stage other offline events, as well as these, so for more info check out;

www.betfairpoker.com/wsope-ireland

The other important thing to tell any of you who might be looking to buy-in, is that I can reserve you a ticket now. If you buy-in through betfair and make the final table, we will buy you in for the next three years!

If you have any questions drop me an email to irishpoker@betfair.com

corkie123

hi dave

are u putting me in to this tourie u promised me u put me in one or two touries . i take the wsope as one haha u can phone me when its done u have my number

ps had a great time in vegas with estelle and the lads

connie147

Betfair wrote:

David Wilson from Betfair Poker here. Some of you may already know me, so I thought it was about time I introduced myself to the rest!

As you will all be aware the WSOPE is taking place in London from September 10th – 16th. There are obviously loads of ways to qualify online, but here in Ireland there are other ways;

The Macau Sporting Club, Cork - August 25th - €200 + €20, with one re-buy/top-up (€200).
ONE PACKAGE GUARANTEED.

Celtic Poker Tour, Naas - August 24TH - €200 + €20, with one re-buy/top-up (€100).
ONE PACKAGE GUARANTEED

Hi David,
I'll probably play in the Maccau event.Ive already checked and their blind levels and timeframes look very player friendly.Also, having played there before,its comfortable and has excellent dealers.

As for the Celtic poker tour one the day before,I presume they will be supplying dealers at all tables seeing as though the same reg of €20 is being charged. I'd also like a bit of imformation regarding starting stack, rebuy amount and blind timeframes before I can make an informed decision on whether its worth travelling for.
Hopefully you'll be able to supply the above information

Thanks in advance,
Connie

Betfair

connie,

The starting stack is 11,000 chips, I believe it will be half hour blind levels and the re-buy is €100 for another 10,000 chips.

Normally dealers are introduced for the final few tables.

How's your club going since the re-opening- I presume i have the right person here?!

Funkymonk83

Connie,

I queried this with someone from Celtic Poker and they said that they are running their normal blind structure, bad and that they might increase the levels from the normal 25 mins to 30.

connie147

Betfair wrote:

connie,

The starting stack is 11,000 chips, I believe it will be half hour blind levels and the re-buy is €100 for another 10,000 chips.

Normally dealers are introduced for the final few tables.

How's your club going since the re-opening- I presume i have the right person here?!

Hi David,
Yep, you got the right man. The club is going great since the hiccup.

If I pay €200 into a tournament (and a €20 reg fee), surely in this age I should be guaranteed a competent dealer. I do know of players who intentionally travel to large buy-in self deal events who are card sharks(by sharks I mean lads who can rigg decks). I cannot think of any situation where I would buy into a €200 game thats self deal. Why is there no dealers?
And give us a break down of the blind levels and timeframes please.
Thanks
Connie

connie147

Bump!

Hi David, any further news?

Connie.

semibluff

dave best of luck with this, but as a word of caution id distance yourself from Celtic Poker Tour. They rape the pot all the time and any decent and knowledgable poker player knows this. (and i presume these are the only/main players that will play such a large tournament)


on a side note - drogheda poker club are running a live satelite next week, 1k buy in syndicate sort of thing. dont think its tru betfair, and i presume some1 will post more about it soon, but looks very likely theyl have atelast one ticket

Fatboydim

I have to say that I was astounded that Betfair hooked up with CPT.
I never played a CPT event and judging by above probably never will. I thought at least the sponsorship, support from Betfair might mean that they employed dealers and implemented better structures. The only thing they seem to do well is advertise.

Theresalwaysone

I have played in the Naas game before. If they are having the same game as usual only adding the WSOPE name to it then it will not be a good game and no where near the quality expected for a 200+20 buy in game with a package like this as a prize.

I would also like to see CONFIRMED blind levels and some more information on the dealer situation.

poorbarman

David Wilson seems to have gone very quiet............................

nicnicnic

I'll be playing both I think worth having a couple of stabs

LuckyLloyd

Funny how it all goes quiet when the specifics are requested.

connie147

Hi David,
I've tried being polite,and I'm going to stay that way. Im known as being pretty straight when it comes to running poker tournaments, and I expect you in Betfair have much the same reputation.But this is quite simple really.

1.-I would love to play in the WSOPE in london,but the only way I can do that is by winning my ticket.
2.-You've come on this forum and advertised two different tournaments(live) in Ireland with guaranteed tickets that I'm interested in playing in.
3.-One of them tournaments,in the Maccau casino in Cork, has been posted on this forum with a full breakdown of blind structure, blind levels and dealer dealt tables which the players here expect(and rightly so) for a €200 +tournament.
4.-The other tournament, run by the CPT,is very vague in structure.I've asked you twice for a breakdown,!st time you came back with half an answer,2nd time you just didnt come back.
5.-If you want to promote your tournaments on this poker forum,the least you can do is provide us with proper information.
6.-You are sponsors of the WSOPE.You are sponsors of the CPT.It is your responsability to ensure that if the CPT run a sattellite into the WSOPE, that the poker players from this forum that turn up to play there get a tournament worthty of their entry fee.
7.-If you cannot do that,at least have the decency to tell us.Boards poker forum thrust the imformation they get on here,and thats all I'm asking for,information.You really can't come on here and promote 2 tournaments and then fail to give us details.

I'm sure this is an oversight on your behalf.But the tourney is only a couple of weeks away and really,the information is needed now.

Awaiting your reply,
Connie.

HeeHawsCantona

CPT have their Tournament Blind Structure on their website. I think their tournaments are soft if you play tight poker. They are dealer dealt from the last 2 tables only.
The only problem I would have with their events is that they dont announce the number of entries until well into the tournament when half the field have been eliminated already. I've never walked around and counted players during the 2nd level and of course you must trust them on the number of add-ons top ups.

Coillte_Bhoy

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

CPT have their Tournament Blind Structure on their website. I think their tournaments are soft if you play tight poker. They are dealer dealt from the last 2 tables only.
The only problem I would have with their events is that they dont announce the number of entries until well into the tournament when half the field have been eliminated already. I've never walked around and counted players during the 2nd level and of course you must trust them on the number of add-ons top ups.

Why??
They could very easily display ther entries and amount of rebuys on the big screens with the software they use but they choose not to. Hmmmm.:rolleyes:

Betfair

Connie,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you - I have been away all weekend, just back in to the office now!

Regarding your queries for the tournaments. I believe that you have the details regarding the Macau tournament from their thread. Regarding the Celtic Poker tournament, I have spoken with them and have their blind structure for you, for this tournament. It will be dealer dealt until it reaches the final three tables.

Starting Stack is 11,000 chips, re-buy/top-up 10,000.
Blinds last 30 minutes. There will be no antes.

50/100
100/200
200/400
300/600
500/1000
800/1500
1000/2000
2000/4000
3000/6000
4000/8000
5000/10,000
8000/15,000
10,000/20,000
15,000/30,000
20,000/40,000
25,000/50,000

I hope this helps.

Regards,

David

LuckyLloyd

Betfair wrote:

Connie,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you - I have been away all weekend, just back in to the office now!

Regarding your queries for the tournaments. I believe that you have the details regarding the Macau tournament from their thread. Regarding the Celtic Poker tournament, I have spoken with them and have their blind structure for you, for this tournament. It will be dealer dealt until it reaches the final three tables.

Starting Stack is 11,000 chips, re-buy/top-up 10,000.
Blinds last 30 minutes. There will be no antes.

50/100
100/200
200/400
300/600
500/1000
800/1500
1000/2000
2000/4000
3000/6000
4000/8000
5000/10,000
8000/15,000
10,000/20,000
15,000/30,000
20,000/40,000
25,000/50,000

I hope this helps.

Regards,

David

I assume that "dealer dealt until the last three tables" means that it is self - deal until the last three tables?

That is a god awful blind structure by the way. Wow.

Betfair

LuckyLloyd,

Thanks for the query, yes you are right, it will be self deal until then.

bops

LuckyLloyd wrote:

That is a god awful blind structure by the way. Wow.

I honestly believe that the structure in fine considering the starting stack and the rebuy/topup, and taking into account that the game will have a life of ~ 8 hours...


David,

Best of luck with your time on Boards, I reckon you have thick enough skin to survive around here. I have opened up a betfair account today, and will also be making the trip to naas on friday - so you must have done something right!

gl

Bops

charlesanto

I am considering playing in Naas, what is the value of the package,
will there be other prizes or is it just the package ???

jem

Can you please post the exacty prize structure please.
can you also confirm that the ONLY money taken from the pot will be the redg fee and that all of the 200's are in the prize pool.

connie147

Betfair wrote:

Connie,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you - I have been away all weekend, just back in to the office now!

Regarding your queries for the tournaments. I believe that you have the details regarding the Macau tournament from their thread. Regarding the Celtic Poker tournament, I have spoken with them and have their blind structure for you, for this tournament. It will be dealer dealt until it reaches the final three tables.

Starting Stack is 11,000 chips, re-buy/top-up 10,000.
Blinds last 30 minutes. There will be no antes.

50/100
100/200
200/400
300/600
500/1000
800/1500
1000/2000
2000/4000
3000/6000
4000/8000
5000/10,000
8000/15,000
10,000/20,000
15,000/30,000
20,000/40,000
25,000/50,000

I hope this helps.

Regards,

David

Hi David,
Thank you for the reply. I have to be honest and say I,m not at all impressed by the structure of the CPT game.I've no axe to grind with them, its just I've heard so much negativity I was anxious to get details before I made my plans.

From my calculations,this is the comparrison im coming up with(I am open to correction here if my thinking is flawed)

These comparisons presume I'm sitting at the table with my original buy in and my rebuy

After 2 hrs play- CPT 21k blinds 300-600 --I've 33 bb's.
Maccau 8k blinds 100-200 --I've 40 bb's.

After 3 hrs play- CPT 21k blinds 800-1,500 --I've 14 bb's.
Maccau 8k blinds 200-400 --I've 20 bb's.

After 4 hrs play- CPT 21k Blinds 2000-4000 --I've 5.25 bb's.
Maccau 8k Blinds 400- 800 --I've 10 bb's.

After 5 hrs play- CPT 21k Blinds 4000-8000 --I've 2.5 bb's
Maccau 8k Blinds 600-1200 --I've 6.5 bb's.

Now if I factor in the fact that The Maccau game is dealer dealt from the start so I'll be getting maybe 50% more hands per hour(plus I've no fear of people deck rigging), and both games are charging €20 reg,I dont think theres any doubt which game is value for money.

If you were going to play in one of these sattellites, which one would you chose?
Anyway, best of luck with the wsope.Hope to see you soon
Connie.

Betfair

Connie,

No problem. Well hopeully what ever tounament you play will lead to us meeting up in London next month.

Speak to you soon.

Regards

David

Flipper

Connie, I 100% agree with you but David only works for Betfair - he doesn't have anything to do with CPT and their structure. Personally, I think CPT are a laughing stock of the Irish poker community and anyone who willingly plays their tourney over the Macau's deserve to be screwed. I think people have no idea how many hooks and fixers there are in this country.

Betfair

jem - thanks for your reply.

I can confirm that the ticket is a guaranteed €17k package. The rest really depends on how many turn up to both tournaments on the names nights. If there is more than they would either give out extra seats or cash prizes.

For any queries regarding tournament structures, prizepools, etc, the best thing to do is contact the organisers themselves.

Hope this helps regards, David

connie147

Flipper wrote:

Connie, I 100% agree with you but David only works for Betfair - he doesn't have anything to do with CPT and their structure. Personally, I think CPT are a laughing stock of the Irish poker community and anyone who willingly plays their tourney over the Macau's deserve to be screwed. I think people have no idea how many hooks and fixers there are in this country.

Hi Kieran,
Yeah,I've met David before.He's quite a nice guy.I wasn't hitting at him at all.
But I do stand over the fact that Betfair sponsor the WSOPE, they also sponsor the CPT, and if they assign a sattellitte to the WSOPE, surely its in Betfairs interest that the sattellite is run properly?

All I wanted was details so I could make an informed decision. I thank David for supplying me with the info I required.

Hopoefully I'll see you soon Kieran.
Connie

nicnicnic

Flipper wrote:

Connie, I 100% agree with you but David only works for Betfair - he doesn't have anything to do with CPT and their structure. Personally, I think CPT are a laughing stock of the Irish poker community and anyone who willingly plays their tourney over the Macau's deserve to be screwed. I think people have no idea how many hooks and fixers there are in this country.

DO YOU WANT ME TO OR ARE YOU DOING THE DRIVING TO NAAS FRIDAY

tacker

Thats an expensive crapshoot

Russh

Flipper wrote:

Connie, I 100% agree with you but David only works for Betfair - he doesn't have anything to do with CPT and their structure. /QUOTE]

Except for the fact that they endorse the structure, all their tables have Betfair logo and they use Betfair cards...I think the structure is pretty bad in fairness and I'll be surprised if anyone thinks otherwise...I've no problem with Betfair or CPT (in fact i've played quiet a few CPT games) but in the interest of Poker and Irish poker players(espeically those in the country where often they have very little choice but to play on this tour) I think someone should exert their influence and try to improve these structures...

This is the kind of structure you'd see in a €20 pub game and in my view doesn't befit a €220/320 tournament..

Just my point of view on it

By God there's some amount of dead money at these!

HeeHawsCantona

Russh wrote:

By God there's some amount of dead money at these!

This cannot be overemphasised enough

jem

Betfair wrote:

jem - thanks for your reply.

I can confirm that the ticket is a guaranteed €17k package. The rest really depends on how many turn up to both tournaments on the names nights. If there is more than they would either give out extra seats or cash prizes.

For any queries regarding tournament structures, prizepools, etc, the best thing to do is contact the organisers themselves.

Hope this helps regards, David

Sorry david
you havn't answered my major question"can you also confirm that the ONLY money taken from the pot will be the redg fee and that all of the 200's are in the prize pool." with cpt this is a major question and IMHO needs to be answered.
thanks
j

LuckyLloyd

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

This cannot be overemphasised enough

I don't think anybody's edge can be that big given the structure, and given the fact that it is self - deal (9 hands a level?).

Theresalwaysone

The CPT is a joke. That blind structre is terrible for such a high buy in. If any reputable casino offered that buy in with that structure they would be laughed at. Also the fact that it is self deal makes it even more of a bad idea to play.

jem

jem wrote:

Sorry david
you havn't answered my major question"can you also confirm that the ONLY money taken from the pot will be the redg fee and that all of the 200's are in the prize pool." with cpt this is a major question and IMHO needs to be answered.
thanks
j

notice there has been no reply to the above !!!!

nicnicnic

I was by far the best dealer on my table at this tonight;


There was 126 runners 36k prize pool ( which seems on the money ); went out midfield in a cooler hand but huge value for good players




levels 400/800 150/300 were included so structure posted was wrong

HeeHawsCantona

I thought this was quite a good tournament all considered. Went out around 3am when my AQ in the SB didn't hold up against a push of 30k by the cut off with 82o at 2k/4k and then the same player turned a King for his AK to beat my 1010 when we were racing for 90k in the next orbit.
I dont think the CPT deserve all of the stick that they get here - the rest of the country is not blessed with the casino games that Dublin/Cork are.

semibluff

look up some old threads on CPT and then come back with an educated opinion.

a leopard doesnt change his spots - they have RAPED pots continuosly up and down the country and its only through lack of knowledge that the players dont seem to notice this, and its also seems you fall into this category.

being blessed with casinos has nothing to do with it, there are games in nearly every reach of the country that offer the 100% prizepool payout, and CPT normally are nothing near this

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

I thought this was quite a good tournament all considered. Went out around 3am when my AQ in the SB didn't hold up against a push of 30k by the cut off with 82o at 2k/4k and then the same player turned a King for his AK to beat my 1010 when we were racing for 90k in the next orbit.
I dont think the CPT deserve all of the stick that they get here - the rest of the country is not blessed with the casino games that Dublin/Cork are.

I think they target and cater for the less serious poka playa so you can take it or leave it, for the record i think their tournies are capshooty played once before and was chip leader with 3 tables left, did not play for 3/4 orbits of the table and was the shortie, work that out!!!

HeeHawsCantona

semibluff wrote:

look up some old threads on CPT and then come back with an educated opinion.

a leopard doesnt change his spots - they have RAPED pots continuosly up and down the country and its only through lack of knowledge that the players dont seem to notice this, and its also seems you fall into this category.

being blessed with casinos has nothing to do with it, there are games in nearly every reach of the country that offer the 100% prizepool payout, and CPT normally are nothing near this

I've played 4 of their tournaments this year and have gone into it with this attitude only to be proved wrong. For the record there were 126 runners last night (200 and an optional 100 addon) and the pool was 34400. Your post is libelous.

HeeHawsCantona

Kellen Wide Sportswear wrote:

I think they target and cater for the less serious poka playa so you can take it or leave it, for the record i think their tournies are capshooty played once before and was chip leader with 3 tables left, did not play for 3/4 orbits of the table and was the shortie, work that out!!!

EPT's and WPT's are somewhat similar - not that I'm comparing!

mdwexford

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

I've played 4 of their tournaments this year and have gone into it with this attitude only to be proved wrong. For the record there were 126 runners last night (200 and an optional 100 addon) and the pool was 34400. Your post is libelous.

You're talking rubbish.
What he said is not libelous, it is fact.

HeeHawsCantona

No I'm sorry there were 126 runners and a payout of 34,400 - Thats a fact - the post in question is lacking in proof and therefore is libelous and should be removed for the good of the forum

strewelpeter

So do we know was there 100% of entries paid out ?
Were there two WSOPE tickets or was it cash payout from 2nd down?
What was the cash action like and what was the rake?

126 runners is probably about the same number of tournament runners as there was between the four clubs in Dublin last night - How do they do it , or what are the Dublin clubs doing wrong that they can't get those people to go the extra half an hour into town?

I was a bit tempted to try it as I drove past Toughers where this was on last night but then the thoughts of having Nicnicnic as a dealer was just too horrible

HeeHawsCantona

it was 5k for 2nd, 3k for 3rd and i think they paid 10 players. Also 2nd - 5th got a bonus prize from Betfair of a $525 entry into an online sat next wednesday so I believe that makes it an overlay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't know what the rake is but I'd imagine it's much higher than the Dublin casinos.

connie147

I didnt play there last night, but a friend of mine did. He said fe did a head count and reckoned there was at least 137 players. Was there a chip count done at the final table to verify the numbers? Id be interested in hearing from any boardsters that played.

nicnicnic

connie147 wrote:

I didnt play there last night, but a friend of mine did. He said fe did a head count and reckoned there was at least 137 players. Was there a chip count done at the final table to verify the numbers? Id be interested in hearing from any boardsters that played.

I counted 14 starting tables 9 handed which is the official count


edit; I don't know if they gave a chip count but I'd imagine that they did as I have seen them do this before but this will be meaningless to most, the give a 1k early bird chip which i think everyone gets, they strictly kept to the one rebuy/top up. If it was skimmed then it was very little two players on my table didn't rebuy/topup

semibluff

semibluff wrote:

look up some old threads on CPT and then come back with an educated opinion.

a leopard doesnt change his spots - they have RAPED pots continuosly up and down the country and its only through lack of knowledge that the players dont seem to notice this, and its also seems you fall into this category.

being blessed with casinos has nothing to do with it, there are games in nearly every reach of the country that offer the 100% prizepool payout, and CPT normally are nothing near this

libelous my ass. obviously you didnt read my post closely, thats the reason i added normally in. if nicnicnic said it was close to full payout last night, i believe him. but considering the pressure that was applied towards it, and maybe credit should be given to dave if he ensured the full payout IF that was the situation.
it Definetly hasnt been in their previous tournaments.

get down off your high donkey please , hee haw.

connie147

nicnicnic wrote:

I counted 14 starting tables 9 handed which is the official count


edit; I don't know if they gave a chip count but I'd imagine that they did as I have seen them do this before but this will be meaningless to most, the give a 1k early bird chip which i think everyone gets, they strictly kept to the one rebuy/top up. If it was skimmed then it was very little two players on my table didn't rebuy/topup

I'm not disputing it Nicky, just the info I was given.
BTW,my buddy was on a table of 10. Any idea who won the ticket?

nicnicnic

connie147 wrote:

I'm not disputing it Nicky, just the info I was given.
BTW,my buddy was on a table of 10. Any idea who won the ticket?

no idea Connie left about 3.3 there was three tables left