WSOPE Update

Betfair

David Wilson from Betfair Poker here. Some of you may already know me, so I thought it was about time I introduced myself to the rest!

As you will all be aware the WSOPE is taking place in London from September 10th – 16th. There are obviously loads of ways to qualify online, but here in Ireland there are other ways;

The Macau Sporting Club, Cork - August 25th - €200 + €20, with one re-buy/top-up (€200).
ONE PACKAGE GUARANTEED.

Celtic Poker Tour, Naas - August 24TH - €200 + €20, with one re-buy/top-up (€100).
ONE PACKAGE GUARANTEED

We are hoping to stage other offline events, as well as these, so for more info check out;

www.betfairpoker.com/wsope-ireland

The other important thing to tell any of you who might be looking to buy-in, is that I can reserve you a ticket now. If you buy-in through betfair and make the final table, we will buy you in for the next three years!

If you have any questions drop me an email to irishpoker@betfair.com

corkie123

hi dave

are u putting me in to this tourie u promised me u put me in one or two touries . i take the wsope as one haha u can phone me when its done u have my number

ps had a great time in vegas with estelle and the lads

connie147

Betfair wrote:

David Wilson from Betfair Poker here. Some of you may already know me, so I thought it was about time I introduced myself to the rest!

As you will all be aware the WSOPE is taking place in London from September 10th – 16th. There are obviously loads of ways to qualify online, but here in Ireland there are other ways;

The Macau Sporting Club, Cork - August 25th - €200 + €20, with one re-buy/top-up (€200).
ONE PACKAGE GUARANTEED.

Celtic Poker Tour, Naas - August 24TH - €200 + €20, with one re-buy/top-up (€100).
ONE PACKAGE GUARANTEED

Hi David,
I'll probably play in the Maccau event.Ive already checked and their blind levels and timeframes look very player friendly.Also, having played there before,its comfortable and has excellent dealers.

As for the Celtic poker tour one the day before,I presume they will be supplying dealers at all tables seeing as though the same reg of €20 is being charged. I'd also like a bit of imformation regarding starting stack, rebuy amount and blind timeframes before I can make an informed decision on whether its worth travelling for.
Hopefully you'll be able to supply the above information

Thanks in advance,
Connie

Betfair

connie,

The starting stack is 11,000 chips, I believe it will be half hour blind levels and the re-buy is €100 for another 10,000 chips.

Normally dealers are introduced for the final few tables.

How's your club going since the re-opening- I presume i have the right person here?!

Funkymonk83

Connie,

I queried this with someone from Celtic Poker and they said that they are running their normal blind structure, bad and that they might increase the levels from the normal 25 mins to 30.

connie147

Betfair wrote:

connie,

The starting stack is 11,000 chips, I believe it will be half hour blind levels and the re-buy is €100 for another 10,000 chips.

Normally dealers are introduced for the final few tables.

How's your club going since the re-opening- I presume i have the right person here?!

Hi David,
Yep, you got the right man. The club is going great since the hiccup.

If I pay €200 into a tournament (and a €20 reg fee), surely in this age I should be guaranteed a competent dealer. I do know of players who intentionally travel to large buy-in self deal events who are card sharks(by sharks I mean lads who can rigg decks). I cannot think of any situation where I would buy into a €200 game thats self deal. Why is there no dealers?
And give us a break down of the blind levels and timeframes please.
Thanks
Connie

connie147

Bump!

Hi David, any further news?

Connie.

semibluff

dave best of luck with this, but as a word of caution id distance yourself from Celtic Poker Tour. They rape the pot all the time and any decent and knowledgable poker player knows this. (and i presume these are the only/main players that will play such a large tournament)


on a side note - drogheda poker club are running a live satelite next week, 1k buy in syndicate sort of thing. dont think its tru betfair, and i presume some1 will post more about it soon, but looks very likely theyl have atelast one ticket

Fatboydim

I have to say that I was astounded that Betfair hooked up with CPT.
I never played a CPT event and judging by above probably never will. I thought at least the sponsorship, support from Betfair might mean that they employed dealers and implemented better structures. The only thing they seem to do well is advertise.

Theresalwaysone

I have played in the Naas game before. If they are having the same game as usual only adding the WSOPE name to it then it will not be a good game and no where near the quality expected for a 200+20 buy in game with a package like this as a prize.

I would also like to see CONFIRMED blind levels and some more information on the dealer situation.

poorbarman

David Wilson seems to have gone very quiet............................

nicnicnic

I'll be playing both I think worth having a couple of stabs

LuckyLloyd

Funny how it all goes quiet when the specifics are requested.

connie147

Hi David,
I've tried being polite,and I'm going to stay that way. Im known as being pretty straight when it comes to running poker tournaments, and I expect you in Betfair have much the same reputation.But this is quite simple really.

1.-I would love to play in the WSOPE in london,but the only way I can do that is by winning my ticket.
2.-You've come on this forum and advertised two different tournaments(live) in Ireland with guaranteed tickets that I'm interested in playing in.
3.-One of them tournaments,in the Maccau casino in Cork, has been posted on this forum with a full breakdown of blind structure, blind levels and dealer dealt tables which the players here expect(and rightly so) for a €200 +tournament.
4.-The other tournament, run by the CPT,is very vague in structure.I've asked you twice for a breakdown,!st time you came back with half an answer,2nd time you just didnt come back.
5.-If you want to promote your tournaments on this poker forum,the least you can do is provide us with proper information.
6.-You are sponsors of the WSOPE.You are sponsors of the CPT.It is your responsability to ensure that if the CPT run a sattellite into the WSOPE, that the poker players from this forum that turn up to play there get a tournament worthty of their entry fee.
7.-If you cannot do that,at least have the decency to tell us.Boards poker forum thrust the imformation they get on here,and thats all I'm asking for,information.You really can't come on here and promote 2 tournaments and then fail to give us details.

I'm sure this is an oversight on your behalf.But the tourney is only a couple of weeks away and really,the information is needed now.

Awaiting your reply,
Connie.

HeeHawsCantona

CPT have their Tournament Blind Structure on their website. I think their tournaments are soft if you play tight poker. They are dealer dealt from the last 2 tables only.
The only problem I would have with their events is that they dont announce the number of entries until well into the tournament when half the field have been eliminated already. I've never walked around and counted players during the 2nd level and of course you must trust them on the number of add-ons top ups.

Coillte_Bhoy

HeeHawsCantona wrote:

CPT have their Tournament Blind Structure on their website. I think their tournaments are soft if you play tight poker. They are dealer dealt from the last 2 tables only.
The only problem I would have with their events is that they dont announce the number of entries until well into the tournament when half the field have been eliminated already. I've never walked around and counted players during the 2nd level and of course you must trust them on the number of add-ons top ups.

Why??
They could very easily display ther entries and amount of rebuys on the big screens with the software they use but they choose not to. Hmmmm.:rolleyes:

Betfair

Connie,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you - I have been away all weekend, just back in to the office now!

Regarding your queries for the tournaments. I believe that you have the details regarding the Macau tournament from their thread. Regarding the Celtic Poker tournament, I have spoken with them and have their blind structure for you, for this tournament. It will be dealer dealt until it reaches the final three tables.

Starting Stack is 11,000 chips, re-buy/top-up 10,000.
Blinds last 30 minutes. There will be no antes.

50/100
100/200
200/400
300/600
500/1000
800/1500
1000/2000
2000/4000
3000/6000
4000/8000
5000/10,000
8000/15,000
10,000/20,000
15,000/30,000
20,000/40,000
25,000/50,000

I hope this helps.

Regards,

David

LuckyLloyd

Betfair wrote:

Connie,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you - I have been away all weekend, just back in to the office now!

Regarding your queries for the tournaments. I believe that you have the details regarding the Macau tournament from their thread. Regarding the Celtic Poker tournament, I have spoken with them and have their blind structure for you, for this tournament. It will be dealer dealt until it reaches the final three tables.

Starting Stack is 11,000 chips, re-buy/top-up 10,000.
Blinds last 30 minutes. There will be no antes.

50/100
100/200
200/400
300/600
500/1000
800/1500
1000/2000
2000/4000
3000/6000
4000/8000
5000/10,000
8000/15,000
10,000/20,000
15,000/30,000
20,000/40,000
25,000/50,000

I hope this helps.

Regards,

David

I assume that "dealer dealt until the last three tables" means that it is self - deal until the last three tables?

That is a god awful blind structure by the way. Wow.

Betfair

LuckyLloyd,

Thanks for the query, yes you are right, it will be self deal until then.

bops

LuckyLloyd wrote:

That is a god awful blind structure by the way. Wow.

I honestly believe that the structure in fine considering the starting stack and the rebuy/topup, and taking into account that the game will have a life of ~ 8 hours...


David,

Best of luck with your time on Boards, I reckon you have thick enough skin to survive around here. I have opened up a betfair account today, and will also be making the trip to naas on friday - so you must have done something right!

gl

Bops

charlesanto

I am considering playing in Naas, what is the value of the package,
will there be other prizes or is it just the package ???

jem

Can you please post the exacty prize structure please.
can you also confirm that the ONLY money taken from the pot will be the redg fee and that all of the 200's are in the prize pool.

connie147

Betfair wrote:

Connie,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you - I have been away all weekend, just back in to the office now!

Regarding your queries for the tournaments. I believe that you have the details regarding the Macau tournament from their thread. Regarding the Celtic Poker tournament, I have spoken with them and have their blind structure for you, for this tournament. It will be dealer dealt until it reaches the final three tables.

Starting Stack is 11,000 chips, re-buy/top-up 10,000.
Blinds last 30 minutes. There will be no antes.

50/100
100/200
200/400
300/600
500/1000
800/1500
1000/2000
2000/4000
3000/6000
4000/8000
5000/10,000
8000/15,000
10,000/20,000
15,000/30,000
20,000/40,000
25,000/50,000

I hope this helps.

Regards,

David

Hi David,
Thank you for the reply. I have to be honest and say I,m not at all impressed by the structure of the CPT game.I've no axe to grind with them, its just I've heard so much negativity I was anxious to get details before I made my plans.

From my calculations,this is the comparrison im coming up with(I am open to correction here if my thinking is flawed)

These comparisons presume I'm sitting at the table with my original buy in and my rebuy

After 2 hrs play- CPT 21k blinds 300-600 --I've 33 bb's.
Maccau 8k blinds 100-200 --I've 40 bb's.

After 3 hrs play- CPT 21k blinds 800-1,500 --I've 14 bb's.
Maccau 8k blinds 200-400 --I've 20 bb's.

After 4 hrs play- CPT 21k Blinds 2000-4000 --I've 5.25 bb's.
Maccau 8k Blinds 400- 800 --I've 10 bb's.

After 5 hrs play- CPT 21k Blinds 4000-8000 --I've 2.5 bb's
Maccau 8k Blinds 600-1200 --I've 6.5 bb's.

Now if I factor in the fact that The Maccau game is dealer dealt from the start so I'll be getting maybe 50% more hands per hour(plus I've no fear of people deck rigging), and both games are charging €20 reg,I dont think theres any doubt which game is value for money.

If you were going to play in one of these sattellites, which one would you chose?
Anyway, best of luck with the wsope.Hope to see you soon
Connie.

Betfair

Connie,

No problem. Well hopeully what ever tounament you play will lead to us meeting up in London next month.

Speak to you soon.

Regards

David

Flipper

Connie, I 100% agree with you but David only works for Betfair - he doesn't have anything to do with CPT and their structure. Personally, I think CPT are a laughing stock of the Irish poker community and anyone who willingly plays their tourney over the Macau's deserve to be screwed. I think people have no idea how many hooks and fixers there are in this country.

Betfair

jem - thanks for your reply.

I can confirm that the ticket is a guaranteed €17k package. The rest really depends on how many turn up to both tournaments on the names nights. If there is more than they would either give out extra seats or cash prizes.

For any queries regarding tournament structures, prizepools, etc, the best thing to do is contact the organisers themselves.

Hope this helps regards, David

connie147

Flipper wrote:

Connie, I 100% agree with you but David only works for Betfair - he doesn't have anything to do with CPT and their structure. Personally, I think CPT are a laughing stock of the Irish poker community and anyone who willingly plays their tourney over the Macau's deserve to be screwed. I think people have no idea how many hooks and fixers there are in this country.

Hi Kieran,
Yeah,I've met David before.He's quite a nice guy.I wasn't hitting at him at all.
But I do stand over the fact that Betfair sponsor the WSOPE, they also sponsor the CPT, and if they assign a sattellitte to the WSOPE, surely its in Betfairs interest that the sattellite is run properly?

All I wanted was details so I could make an informed decision. I thank David for supplying me with the info I required.

Hopoefully I'll see you soon Kieran.
Connie

nicnicnic

Flipper wrote:

Connie, I 100% agree with you but David only works for Betfair - he doesn't have anything to do with CPT and their structure. Personally, I think CPT are a laughing stock of the Irish poker community and anyone who willingly plays their tourney over the Macau's deserve to be screwed. I think people have no idea how many hooks and fixers there are in this country.

DO YOU WANT ME TO OR ARE YOU DOING THE DRIVING TO NAAS FRIDAY

tacker

Thats an expensive crapshoot

Russh

Flipper wrote:

Connie, I 100% agree with you but David only works for Betfair - he doesn't have anything to do with CPT and their structure. /QUOTE]

Except for the fact that they endorse the structure, all their tables have Betfair logo and they use Betfair cards...I think the structure is pretty bad in fairness and I'll be surprised if anyone thinks otherwise...I've no problem with Betfair or CPT (in fact i've played quiet a few CPT games) but in the interest of Poker and Irish poker players(espeically those in the country where often they have very little choice but to play on this tour) I think someone should exert their influence and try to improve these structures...

This is the kind of structure you'd see in a €20 pub game and in my view doesn't befit a €220/320 tournament..

Just my point of view on it

By God there's some amount of dead money at these!

HeeHawsCantona

Russh wrote:

By God there's some amount of dead money at these!

This cannot be overemphasised enough