hand in the 100 freezout macau last night

sitout

the Villan has been check raising his good hands all night ive seen him doing so 3 times in the first 2 hours. ive been playing pretty straight forward stuff nothing fancy raising with the goods and folding when i have to!
I have just doubled up about 8 hands ago when my AA held up against KK.
Im on the cut off and i pick up kk there has been a limp utg from the villan and one other caller the blinds are 150/300 i make it 1200 and get 3 callers. the flop is 10c 4c 2d. utg checks and it comes around to me i raise to 6000 chips i have 10000 left and the average is 9800,its folded around to the utg player (who is not a bad player but not someone i would usually fear!), he thinks for about 6/7 seconds and pushes in for 9800 total!
ffs! what action should be taken here by me . il post later what i did!
shiobhan

Jesus Wept

You should call and double up or go broke, imo

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Have you seen all the hands he has check-raised with? Or is it possible you didn't see them all and are persuming he was strong each time?

5starpool

Not a lot of thinking involved here to be honest. You have to call 3800 more into a pot of 20600, so you are getting nearly 6/1. You also have a big overpair. If he has a set or strangely played AA then unlucky.

sikes

on the flop theres 4800 in the middle and you lead for 6000, not raise. Either way its not a very difficult decision, its 3800 to you with some phenominal in the middle.

Flipper

Sounds like your preflop raise was too small with two limpers in behind and that your flop bet was too big. As played, you can't fold for an extra 3,800 so just snap call and watch as (as it being the Macau) he shows you AcQc or something to that effect.

ollyk1

I might mentally ask myself do I have the King of clubs as I'm shipping it in. As Flipper says your preflop raise is too small and post flop too big. Have these raise sizes being getting through when you've been bluffing? Have you been bluffing??

sitout

thinking back on it i was v weak with my raise. bth very close flipper , i naturally called his all in and he turned over AcJc and he turned a club to cripple me. was really annoyed with myself i have been getting into very good positions latley in tourneys and somehow have left myself slip by making bad choices at critical times. had i not played this hand at all(just for the point of arguement im obviously going to play KK), i would have cruised on to the final table as i was at this stage chip leader with nearly double the chip average. how much should i have raised pf here , obviously 4bb is not enough i would like some action on my kk (or am i wrong here should i be happy with whats in the middle?)!
thanks
shiobhan

Jesus Wept

sitout wrote:

thinking back on it i was v weak with my raise. bth very close flipper , i naturally called his all in and he turned over AcJc and he turned a club to cripple me. was really annoyed with myself i have been getting into very good positions latley in tourneys and somehow have left myself slip by making bad choices at critical times. had i not played this hand at all(just for the point of arguement im obviously going to play KK), i would have cruised on to the final table as i was at this stage chip leader with nearly double the chip average. how much should i have raised pf here , obviously 4bb is not enough i would like some action on my kk (or am i wrong here should i be happy with whats in the middle?)!
thanks
shiobhan

I think you are being a bit over critical of yourself, you could of raised a bit more preflop, but I wouldn't recommend raising much more than 3 bb+1bb for each limper, were there 1 or 2 limpers before you acted? If there were
2, the extra BB you could of raised probably wouldn't of stopped the AJ calling, if he is inclined to call for 4bb.

You definitely should want action, imo, 1 or 2 callers would be ideal.

It's just one of those situations, even if you had played it differently, there is a huge chance the outcome would be the same.

sitout wrote:

had i not played this hand at all(just for the point of arguement im obviously going to play KK), i would have cruised on to the final table as i was at this stage chip leader with nearly double the chip average.

That would be Ed Pellegrini logic, your better than that.

Flipper

sitout wrote:

thinking back on it i was v weak with my raise. bth very close flipper , i naturally called his all in and he turned over AcJc and he turned a club to cripple me. was really annoyed with myself i have been getting into very good positions latley in tourneys and somehow have left myself slip by making bad choices at critical times. had i not played this hand at all(just for the point of arguement im obviously going to play KK), i would have cruised on to the final table as i was at this stage chip leader with nearly double the chip average. how much should i have raised pf here , obviously 4bb is not enough i would like some action on my kk (or am i wrong here should i be happy with whats in the middle?)!
thanks
shiobhan

For the most part, you're playing with complete toolbags in that club so I tend to overbet most hands. Get them to commit a larger % of their stack when they are trailing. The blinds were too big at this point to be small-balling.