kanye west vs. 50 centt

enthusiast24

so in their competition to sell more albums who do you think will win? I think Kanye Will but 50 has a good chance too....
what do you guys think>?

looks like if kanye wins 50 is done with solo albums
http://www.avclub.com/content/newswire/50_cent_to_quit_music_if

Makaveli

I think Kanye West will sell more albums because he appeals to more people across the board. If the result of that is 50 Cent not releasing any more albums, bonus.

A_Fitz

Just goes to show what they're all about!



As a man said; "where the real rappers at??"

tuxy

I voted for Kanye just for his whole "George Bush does not care about black people" thing. Both of them release awful music.

Spud83

I actually didn't read the question fully before answering. I think Kanye is better, 50's last album was poor. But his first album outsold kanye, his second also, and the soundtrack to Get Rich or Die Tryin sold huge too. I dont see that stopping 50 is definitly gonna win sales wise.

Orizio

tuxy wrote:

I voted for Kanye just for his whole "George Bush does not care about black people" thing. Both of them release awful music.

I trust you have actually listened to all of their albums right?

tuxy

Orizio wrote:

I trust you have actually listened to all of their albums right?

Sorry that comment was just based on their music that is in the charts and is regularly played on the radio. If they have some other stuff that is very different from the mainstream Scheiße let me know and I will check it out.

Orizio

tuxy wrote:

Sorry that comment was just based on their music that is in the charts and is regularly played on the radio. If they have some other stuff that is very different from the mainstream Scheiße let me know and I will check it out.

Despite the fact that he is a complete twat, Kanye has dropped two fine Hip-Hop album and done plenty of good production for the likes of Common, Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli. If you've heard Touch The Sky and Heard 'Em Say from his second album and didn't like what you heard fair enough, but saying he releases 'awful music' is a bit strong.

I could care less about 50.

A_Fitz

Orizio wrote:

Despite the fact that he is a complete twat, Kanye has dropped two fine Hip-Hop album and done plenty of good production for the likes of Common, Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli. If you've heard Touch The Sky and Heard 'Em Say from his second album and didn't like what you heard fair enough, but saying he releases 'awful music' is a bit strong.

I could care less about 50.

They're both commercial cock-suckers tho, truth being told.

shane86

Orizio wrote:

Despite the fact that he is a complete twat, Kanye has dropped two fine Hip-Hop album and done plenty of good production for the likes of Common, Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli. If you've heard Touch The Sky and Heard 'Em Say from his second album and didn't like what you heard fair enough, but saying he releases 'awful music' is a bit strong.

I could care less about 50.

Wha?

Ive never bothered listening to LR fully, but College Dropout was pretty average. A few stand out tracks (We Dont Care, Jesus Walks, Never Let Me Down), an unholy amount of useless skits and the cock that was Workout Plan.

Get Rich or Die Tryin- a few stand out tracks (In Da Club, Many Men, High All The Time), odd bit of cheese (21 Questions), all in all listenable. The comparison of production credits is irrelevant seeing as 50 isnt a beatmaker.

I wish people would quit hating on 50 because hes the richest guy currently releasing albums. Lesser selling **** like Camron doesnt get half the flak despite being 3 times as bad.

Orizio

I prefered LR to CD but both were pretty tight albums imo.

My problem with 50 is that he has an average flow + average lyrics and is thus an average gangster rapper. Nothing to hate about his music exactly, but he did at least have strong beats on his second album.I won't be holding my breath over either Curtis or Graduation being particurly brilliant tbh.

Raekwon

They both appeal to different types of hip-hop audiences so it would be a hard one to judge.

From a personal point of view I would prefer Kanye West mainly because of his collaboration/production with other artists that I like.

I'm not a big fan of 50 at all.

spacecoyote

shane86 wrote:

I wish people would quit hating on 50 because hes the richest guy currently releasing albums. Lesser selling **** like Camron doesnt get half the flak despite being 3 times as bad.

Do you really believe that the reason people don't like 50 cents music is because he is rich?

shane86

spacecoyote wrote:

Do you really believe that the reason people don't like 50 cents music is because he is rich?

Not exactly. However, because he is the wealthiest he comes in for more stick than worse rappers who only sell around the 1 million mark. Its like anything thats more hated on the net than real life really- McDonalds, Chelsea, Budweiser, you name it and over- success brings resentment. Fact is that Kanye is a highly respected artist despite some pretty cringeworthy tunes/lyrics. Think back to 2003, GRODT initially came out to some of the biggest hype and both critical and fan acclaim since the mid 90s. The tide will turn on Kanye soon enough just like it did on 50.

Dman001

Kanye Wests new song Stronger appeals to more people than his other songs because it is a bit of a dance song. It is No. 1 at the moment here and America (going by iTunes) so I think he sell more albums for the first few months but 50 Cent will gradually catch up.

Evzer

spacecoyote wrote:

Do you really believe that the reason people don't like 50 cents music is because he is rich?

Yes. Why do these legions of other mainstream acts(Dipset, The Lox, Joe buddens etc..) not get this constant barrage of abuse from "real" hip-hop fans. It's because they don't sell records and no-one cares about them. People on their constant self-righteous anti g-unit campaign should realise that theres no such thing as bad publicity and this is what keeps them relevant. The way some people go on its like nobody ever rapped about guns, jewels, before 50 cent came along when it was probably gangsta rap that got these people into hip-hop in the first place! come off yere collective high horses...

50 cent deserves credit, He revolutionised the mixtape game and runs a sucessful record label, (no-one hated him when he got dropped from his ****ty deal at columbia) people give jay-z props all day for being a "businessman" why not 50.

And personally id rather listen to songs about sellin crack and shooting people then have some sanctimonous prick "rapping" about shoes and how you can be his "black kate moss tonight" doing collabos with ppl from **** bands like maroon 5 so magazines that dont have a clue about hip-hop will probably **** themselves into a coma over how "progressive" he is.

I voted for 50 btw.

Makaveli

People don't go on about Dipset and the like because they never hear the music, thankfully. Why don't we hear Dipset? Because they are absolute muck.

50 Cent has gotten lazy in terms of his own music and is almost just living off the name he has made for himself to sell his records. To say the reason everyone dislikes 50 Cent is because he's rich is rubbish. Granted there are people who dislike purely based on this, success breeds contempt, but there are people that dislike him because they think his music is bad. Due to his success more people hear his music so obviously there'll be more discussion about him.

50 Cent is a good businessman. He managed to get a game and film out, as you say he runs a successful label and he has made himself marketable. It doesn't mean his music is good though. The same can be said for Jay-Z and Diddy, good business men but the music for the most part is crap.

Kanye West is so up his own ass he probably thinks he's God at this stage. He's a pompous git who reads a little too much into his own hype. I'd rather not have to listen to him rap either, but if I had to choose one or the other I'd probably listen to a Kanye album than a 50 Cent because the Kanye album would hold my attention a little bit longer. That said I have still yet to manage to listen to all of Late Registration and probably never will listen to it all.

Evzer

His success isnt the only reason people hate him obviously, its just some peoples opinion and that's cool but it's just these people(primarily on the internet) that go on on and on about how much they hate g-unit like it makes them a bigger hip-hop fan or something and act like they invented gun raps get on my tits.

shane86

Evzer wrote:

50 cent deserves credit, He revolutionised the mixtape game and runs a sucessful record label, (no-one hated him when he got dropped from his ****ty deal at columbia) people give jay-z props all day for being a "businessman" why not 50.

And personally id rather listen to songs about sellin crack and shooting people then have some sanctimonous prick "rapping" about shoes and how you can be his "black kate moss tonight" doing collabos with ppl from **** bands like maroon 5 so magazines that dont have a clue about hip-hop will probably **** themselves into a coma over how "progressive" he is.

I voted for 50 btw.

LOL Agreed, despite song titles like Crack Music, references to trunks full of coke in rental cars and having a chorus of children singing abut drug dealing just to get by, somehow Kanye is seen by the mainstream as an alternative backpacker type

Makaveli- have to admit myself, save for an odd single or two like Outta Control and Hustle little 50 has come out with post 2003 has made me buy his stuff (have broadband now, Ill get around to downloading The Massacre eventually). Agree with the business side- hes a good (if not great) businessman, although most of his money seems self produced, Tony Yayo and Mobb Deep havent exactly set the world on fire, and the pretty decent Straight Outta Cashville (YB is one of the strongest lyricists from the south right now imho) sold ok, but had a few banging possible single cuts that got minimal promotion/airplay.

Still, as Evzer says, aint nothing funnier than semi literate Long Island kids with "50 Cent is a Snitch G UNOT!" in their sigs on hip hop forums

A_Fitz

Orizio wrote:

I prefered LR to CD but both were pretty tight albums imo.

My problem with 50 is that he has an average flow + average lyrics and is thus an average gangster rapper. Nothing to hate about his music exactly, but he did at least have strong beats on his second album.I won't be holding my breath over either Curtis or Graduation being particurly brilliant tbh.

Ya, that's basically it. He's talkin bout "doing a 3 to 9" but was never in prison (to the best of my knowledge), so what the **** is he on about?? These boys are by-the-way gangsters but they drive around with as much security as the president, and they brown-nose films stars and bull**** celebrities everywhere they goes. And, is there not a genuine police document on the Smoking Gun site that proves Fiddy is a snitch?? Gangster, my ****in hole. In his own words, "WANKSTA", end of.

shane86

Doesnt it all relate to him taking out a protection order against Murder Inc people who stabbed him? Hes been accused of telling the police who attacked him, not wearing a wire for 3 years and going Henry Hill on his drug gang. Exactly how does it matter to people in Ireland anyway?

dlofnep

Both are self absorbed. Kanye west is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. He bangs on about Bush not caring about black people and then brings out a track that promotes diamonds, the same diamonds that his very own black people are slaves for in sierra leone. He's completely full of himself, didn't give daft punk credit in stronger, where he should of had them featured. He's a clown, and his talent is way overrated.

50 cent is a product of a commercial banner. He's also got about as much talent as a bucket of puke.

It's a shame, because there a dozens of really good emcee's who are 20 times better than both of these but never make it to the big time.

Makaveli

In fairness Daft Punk rarely give people credit when they sample them. Some tracks on Human After All are almost just reworkings of the originals (Robot Rock). They do feature in the video for Stronger.

Orizio

dlofnep wrote:

Both are self absorbed. Kanye west is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. He bangs on about Bush not caring about black people and then brings out a track that promotes diamonds, the same diamonds that his very own black people are slaves for in sierra leone. He's completely full of himself, didn't give daft punk credit in stronger, where he should of had them featured. He's a clown, and his talent is way overrated.

50 cent is a product of a commercial banner. He's also got about as much talent as a bucket of puke.

It's a shame, because there a dozens of really good emcee's who are 20 times better than both of these but never make it to the big time.

Your point would be valid if we are talking about blood diamonds, but do you know how and where Kanye got his diamonds from?I have always thought that track had as much to do with promoting rocafella then diamonds.

Evzer

shane86 wrote:

LOL Agreed, despite song titles like Crack Music, references to trunks full of coke in rental cars and having a chorus of children singing abut drug dealing just to get by, somehow Kanye is seen by the mainstream as an alternative backpacker type

Right. Well played on using his song titles/lyrics out of context to be clever. Where have you been? The mainstream media fawn all over him like he is some "positive" saviour of modern hip-hop when in reality he's a bad/mediocre rapper saved by his own excellent production( which he does deserve the props for.) let me ask ya this have ya ever heard kanye referred to as a "gangsta" rapper or seen any campaigns by black leaders to ban his music? Kanye west is seen by a lot of the media as the most "alternative" act in mainstream rap today.

And to the person who said they only voted for kanye because of the "george bush hates black people" comment Fair play..I suppose it is admirable to take advantage of a tragedy with scholyard politics for a publicity stunt the week before your album drops..

indough

dlofnep wrote:

Both are self absorbed. Kanye west is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. He bangs on about Bush not caring about black people and then brings out a track that promotes diamonds, the same diamonds that his very own black people are slaves for in sierra leone. He's completely full of himself, didn't give daft punk credit in stronger, where he should of had them featured. He's a clown, and his talent is way overrated.

50 cent is a product of a commercial banner. He's also got about as much talent as a bucket of puke.

It's a shame, because there a dozens of really good emcee's who are 20 times better than both of these but never make it to the big time.

The song is called Diamonds from Sierra Leone, so I think he was actually referring to the situation of the people of Sierra Leone. Listen to the song again and you'll realize that the lyrics are an effort on his part to be conscious. He wasn't glorifying wearing diamonds on that track, he was doing the opposite.

He did give Daft Punk credit on stronger. He has even credited them as featuring on the song, which he didn't have to do as they themselves used samples for their original 'Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger'. He even consulted with them prior to release and they feature in the video.

Agreed on 50 Cent though, his music is doo doo and sounds like it was 'composed' on a Nokia.

shane86

Evzer wrote:

Right. Well played on using his song titles/lyrics out of context to be clever. Where have you been? The mainstream media fawn all over him like he is some "positive" saviour of modern hip-hop when in reality he's a bad/mediocre rapper saved by his own excellent production( which he does deserve the props for.) let me ask ya this have ya ever heard kanye referred to as a "gangsta" rapper or seen any campaigns by black leaders to ban his music? Kanye west is seen by a lot of the media as the most "alternative" act in mainstream rap today.

And to the person who said they only voted for kanye because of the "george bush hates black people" comment Fair play..I suppose it is admirable to take advantage of a tragedy with scholyard politics for a publicity stunt the week before your album drops..

Eh? I was agreeing with you. Kanye is a money, hoes, clothes and crack rapper (the only thing ive seldom if ever heard him brag out is guns), however because it comprises a lesser percentage of his lyrics than your average Cash Money types he gets embraced by the mainstream, and you have critics waffling about how different he is.

spacecoyote

In reality, I don't think either of them are particularly good MCs. They both have quite dull voices. I'd listen to a Kanye album 1st though, as I find his production & beat selection a bit more enjoyable.

I don't like 50 cos he's boring. As Makaveli said, you find more 50 hate on websites because people are more exposed to his music. The hundreds of MCs that are selling no albums & have about as much talent as 50 don't get abused as much because no-one can be arsed talking about them.

And I find that even so-called "haters" of 50 aren't starting as many threads about his music as are the people who seem compelled to jump to 50s defence. I'm sure there are plenty of people who hate 50s music because they feel that it makes them more of a "real" hip-hop fan, but I think you'll find, on this site for the most part, that people are pretty objective with their criticism (with a few exceptions obviously :rolleyes: )

Evzer

Ouch, my feelings.

curiousxxx1

Why are y'all hating of 50... I have seen both of them in concert and i sure as hell wouldn't pay a dime for Kanye..
They appeal to different crowds.. 50 more commercial, Kanye is just an ass wipe.. Blood/African diamonds really PISSED me off.. the scum bag is still wearing blink... wtf

Tha Gopher

Ah but its not war diamonds. No no, his are from the far nicer mines in South Africa. Ya know, where the miners get paid 50k per year minimum :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Beefeater

As to who will sell more copies, I couldnt give a f*ck, but I would say Kanye. I think interest for 50 has cooled a bit.
As to their music. This thing bout people hating 50 Cent because he's rich is pretty much garbage. Why is it then that he comes in for much more slack than Kanye, who let's not forget is rolling in money too. Now i know 50 cent didnt create gangsta rap, but i do think him and the likes have degraded it further. Having songs like 'I Get Money' and that one where the video's set in a strip club is bad for the music, culture and the image of black people. My friends dont have a clue about hip hop and some think that bling, guns etc are what they strive for in life. He's a crap lyricist too. He was able to write catchy chorus' in fairness and he is a good businessman but who gives a f*ck. Has nothing really to do with hip hop. Kanye is impoosible to know in my opinion, other than the fact he is a bullsh*tter. He is a hypocrite no doubt, and I hate that. He's an ok rapper, but at least he's tried to better his rap's. He has some songs concerned with good subjects, but his ego too often gets in the way. Hes an amazing producer in fairness and has made two good albums.

lezizi

dlofnep wrote:

Both are self absorbed. Kanye west is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. He bangs on about Bush not caring about black people and then brings out a track that promotes diamonds, the same diamonds that his very own black people are slaves for in sierra leone. He's completely full of himself, didn't give daft punk credit in stronger, where he should of had them featured. He's a clown, and his talent is way overrated.

50 cent is a product of a commercial banner. He's also got about as much talent as a bucket of puke.


It's a shame, because there a dozens of really good emcee's who are 20 times better than both of these but never make it to the big time.

exactly!! they are sellouts

Makaveli

How is Kanye West a sellout?

ghostdancer

Makaveli wrote:

In fairness Daft Punk rarely give people credit when they sample them. Some tracks on Human After All are almost just reworkings of the originals (Robot Rock). They do feature in the video for Stronger.

calling Robot Rock a re-working is a bit generous, all Daft Punk did was put the words "Robot Rock" over someone else's track and claimed it as their own.

them and kanye are really perfect for each other.

Makaveli

They also removed the original vocals.

CorkMan

kanye FTW!

Seaneh

The reason so many people hate fiddy has nothing to do with how many records he or his lable sell or how much money he makes, it's because the man is really, really avrage lyrically, with a below avrage flow and dispite some mint beats his music sucks.

He sells so much because he is marketed through MTV and mainstreem radio towards 12 years old white girls from middle america and 15 year old euro-teens who have no exposure to reall hiphop.

Saying 50cent is hiphop is like saying busted are punk rock.
They belong in the same classification, pop music.

Kanye West has some **** songs, he has some silly lyrics, but he also has songs like

Get Em High, Never Let me down, All falls down, Through the wire, We major, Roses and a back cataqlog of production credits nobody his age would even come close to.

That's what Kanye gets respect, he has real talent, all 50 has is a good marketing division.

Jay Ru

shane86 wrote:

I wish people would quit hating on 50 because hes the richest guy currently releasing albums. Lesser selling **** like Camron doesnt get half the flak despite being 3 times as bad.

50 is far from the richest rapper out there man, u do know that dre and eminem take a large percentage of 50's and the rest of G units sales. puffy, jay z, dr dre are worth alot more than ol mumbles

Evzer

"Vitamin water people! it doesnt matter anymore"

Spud83

Looks like Kanye is in the early lead. The photos are from iTunes (US Store) and Amazon.com. I think iTunes can be a good guide due to now being the third highest retailer of music in America.

dlofnep

dlofnep wrote:

. Kanye west is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. He bangs on about Bush not caring about black people and then brings out a track that promotes diamonds, the same diamonds that his very own black people are slaves for in sierra leone.
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You do know that the song is against the so called blood diamonds?Like its anti diamonds!

in_da_club

50 cent is way better!

Kold

To be honest, these two guys are a huge part of why I don't even listen to hip hop anymore. Once in a while, someone will recommend something brilliant like Doom or Edan, but I can't really be honest to wade through the scutter**** of a genre at all these days.

in_da_club

fiddy id deadly

tuxy

in_da_club wrote: »

fiddy id deadly

Look at this posters name and look at what he is saying.
Troll or just stupid?

Makaveli

Undecided.

A_Fitz

Seaneh wrote: »

and a back cataqlog of production credits nobody his age would even come close to.

A lot of that back catalogue is ****e though. He's in it for the money, simple as.

There's loads of artists infinitely more talented who will never get the same props/money/opportunities.

**** 50. **** Kanye.