Tournament Hands from Vegas

Goodluck2me

Playing the $330 in the Venetian, and we start with a 6K stack and im down to 5600 after a couple of raises.
Blidns are still 25-50 and there are 2 limpers behind, i call with 97h on the button, small blind folds and BB checks option. (225)
flop in Kc4s5h checked to me i bet 250 and the BB calls. everyone else folds. I was simply taking a stab but i put the BB on a straight draw of some description, i figured that he would surely bet a king out. turn was a 6s, he checks to me again and i check behind. river is 8s giving me the nut backdoor straight, but completing a runner runner flush.
BB bets out 275, i?


Hand 2: I raise to 350 in the CO with QJh, button the only caller (hasnt palyed many hands at all and gives the impression of being quite tight although its early doors as its 2nd level. effective stacks are 4200. flop comes QQ4, i check, he bets 500 i call. turn is a 6 i check he bets 1200 i?

Captain Tom

i presume in hand 1 you mean you had 97 suited and not 97 of spades?

calling here is too weak anyway. raise to about 1150.

hand 2 why did you check the flop? as played crai or call and shove any river. never fold obviously.

Goodluck2me

Captain Tom wrote:

i presume in hand 1 you mean you had 97 suited and not 97 of spades?

calling here is too weak anyway. raise to about 1150.

hand 2 why did you check the flop? as played crai or call and shove any river. never fold obviously.

yeah it was hearts i had. if you raise to 1150 you call a shove?
alsi if i crai what will call me? surely only a queen?

Captain Tom

goodluck2me wrote:

yeah it was hearts i had. if you raise to 1150 you call a shove?

any reads on the guy? i wouldnt call unless i had reason to beleive he's really bad. nobody decent will v/shove anything worse than a flush. this is an easy raise though. most of the time he'll have 2 pair/straight and will have trouble folding getting around 2-1.

goodluck2me wrote:

alsi if i crai what will call me? surely only a queen?

that's why you should have lead the flop. we turn our hand face up by check call flop/crai. call/shove any river sounds best. if we check river we lose value out of 88-TT type hands. our line is weird too so he might call us light.

cooker3

Yeah I raise it up to about 1000, if he shoves on me I fold, we get called by good few hands that worse but I really doubt anything is doing that we beat.

Hand 2, I like the line of calling and leading the river

cardshark202

Yeah hand 1 is an easy raise/fold situation
Hand 2 I lead flop all the time, since you didn't and you checked turn I like the line of calling and shoving river.

Goodluck2me

cardshark202 wrote:

Yeah hand 1 is an easy raise/fold situation
Hand 2 I lead flop all the time, since you didn't and you checked turn I like the line of calling and shoving river.

i couldnt call the turn and shove the river as i would have about 1/2 the pot left on the river, i though if i check called the flop he would only bet the turn with a Queen and was most likely ahead of me. tbh i wanted to keep the pot small as i though it would be hard to get value from worse hands. I didnt see him calling raises with QT and worse, i figured id only get value from badly played AA/KK hands.

Captain Tom

i think you're way underestimating the strength of your hand and giving villian an unrealistic range for betting the turn. 88-JJ/QTs/Q9s can easily be part of his range (and this is certainly not a generous range from what i hear about live american tournament players). he can be bluffing too after you played the hand so passively. playing pot control here is far too weak in the first place. your only 42bb deep. just bet the flop and get it in.

Goodluck2me

Captain Tom wrote:

i think you're way underestimating the strength of your hand and giving villian an unrealistic range for betting the turn. 88-JJ/QTs/Q9s can easily be part of his range (and this is certainly not a generous range from what i hear about live american tournament players). he can be bluffing too after you played the hand so passively. playing pot control here is far too weak.

im not sure if mentioned that this player in particular hadnt played many hands and was tight, this was the first time id seen him in an hour or so. this is why i give such a tight range. it was a feeling i got at the time, i decided he has AQ/KQ or the like and obv shoved to be shown AQ. btw the shove was only another 1/3 of the pot so i knew he`d call with whatever he bet with i just thought at the time i shouldve got away from it. that wasnt results orientated btw. surely people check one pair hands behind?

Captain Tom

you just cant fold here given your line imo.

goodluck2me wrote:

surely people check one pair hands behind?

people play bad. lol donkaments.

Goodluck2me

Captain Tom wrote:

you just cant fold here given your line imo.



people play bad. lol donkaments.

yet but tight players dont play like that imo. they rarely bluff. meh, sour grapes FTW!