Not sure how i played this, 1/2 nl

meathman 007

On another spinup for a second holiday:) - anyway not sure how i played this hand.... villain is tight aggresive, multitabler..... always continuation bets regardless of flop...
he said in the chatbox afterwards that he had 33, which i doubt....

Paddy Power "TURBO" Morristown 1/2, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | saw showdown

Button WMGBG ($362.20)
SB BigCo1ones ($216.70)
BB Hero ($339.50)
UTG tarsan ($79.45)
UTG+1 jenskm ($49.55)
CO Helgoy ($171.37)

Preflop: Hero is in the BB with J J
tarsan checks, 2 folds, WMGBG raises to 12, 1 fold, Hero calls 10, tarsan calls 10.

Flop (37) 2 2 2
Hero checks, tarsan checks, WMGBG bets 25, Hero raises to 50, 1 fold, WMGBG calls 25.

Turn (137) 5
Hero checks, WMGBG bets 55, Hero calls 55.

River (247) 3
Hero checks, WMGBG bets 245.20, 1 fold


Another hand, same opponent, few questions

1. should i raise on the flop considering my big draw
2. is my re-raise on the turn a good pot building play, or should i just flat call?

Paddy Power "TURBO" Morristown 1/2, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | saw showdown

Button Hero ($377.75)
SB Ince81 ($190)
BB BUKEM75 ($60.50)
UTG BillyGibbons ($143.45)
UTG+1 WMGBG ($457.15)
CO Ole1231 ($46.05)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with 5 4
1 fold, WMGBG raises to 8, 1 fold, Hero calls 8, Ince81 calls 7, 1 fold.

Flop (26) 7 6 K
Ince81 checks, WMGBG bets 26, Hero calls 26, 1 fold.

Turn (78) 3
WMGBG bets 70, Hero raises to 200, 1 fold

Rickyroma

If you are going to check raise the flop don't min-raise. And don't then check the turn unless you are going to check fold (which is very weak). As played it looks like you tried a move on a scary flop, got called and now have to let it go.

Raise to 85/90 on the flop.



EDIT: meant check raise to 85/90 not bet out for 85/90. But not sure at all, perhaps calling down is better.

fuzzbox

Rickyroma wrote:

Raise to 85/90 on the flop.

How, exactly, is that better?

Rickyroma

fuzzbox wrote:

How, exactly, is that better?

It's better than a weak looking check min-raise, followed by a check call and and check fold. I would only expect to be called by QQ,KK and AA, but the villain's range is much wider (OP said he always c-bets). A raise to 50 allows AQs+ and 88+ to remain in the hand. I just think the OP's line is much more exploitable. With this (85) raise I would be trying to take down the pot here, and I think the villain would think twice about a river shove with this line.

Perhaps simply calling and check/calling down to the river is better. Would appreciate if you point out any flaws in my thinking.

fuzzbox

Rickyroma wrote:

It's better than a weak looking check min-raise, followed by a check call and and check fold.

What do you do if you get called then?

I would only expect to be called by QQ,KK and AA, but the villain's range is much wider (OP said he always c-bets). A raise to 50 allows AQs+ and 88+ to remain in the hand.

And whats the problem with villain calling with AQs+ and 88+ ... surely thats good for us?

valor

raise the flop in #2 and just call the turn

Rickyroma

fuzzbox wrote:

What do you do if you get called then?

As played the OP has invested 105 to get to the river and is faced with a very difficult call to make against a strongly played hand by a tight agressive villain. I realise I'm veering close to results based thinking, but with the min raise I just think that we have no idea where we stand.

If called I (with the 5 on the turn) would either second barrel (maybe 20%) or check/fold (maybe 80%). But I think that there is a good chance of a check behind from villain.

fuzzbox wrote:

And whats the problem with villain calling with AQs+ and 88+ ... surely thats good for us?

Any A,K or Q is going to leave a tough call on the turn/river, OOP with no range against the villain.


The whole reason for the bigger raise on the flop is because I believe that we have the best hand now but are extremely unlikely to improve. Giving the villain free cards to catch up just seems very weak and exploitable.

ianmc38

Hand 1 is ugly.

Hand 2 what Valor said.

meathman 007

hand 1:
one of those where you think you have a good hand on flop but not 100% convinced..... i checked raised on flop to represent strenght - big pocket pair or get away from the situation cheaply if he reraised me... he put in a relatively small bet on turn which i called - he then goes all in on the river and i feel im beating nothing but a bluff so i fold

hand 2:
I wanted to get some money in the pot on the turn, if the 3rd spade dropped on the river, i think he would fold a lot of cards to a decent sized value bet.... so i was hoping he had aces, ak or even a set and would have called the turn raise....