kerry referee for dublin game

dgrif88

not sure if this is covered on another thread but does anyone find this a bit strange that aidan mangan from kerry was appointed for the dublin v derry game on sat.

surely theres a conflict of interest here.

going by the refereeing standards of the gaa i think hes decent enough but surprised they could not find a ref from a county not competing in this side of the draw.

i would post the same if pat mc from monaghan was appointed.

good luck this weekend

Carcharodon

I see where your coming from but dont really see where the conflict of interest is unless you think the Kerry ref would favour Derry just so Kerry would not face the mighty Dubs and vice versa of course.....
I think we have to give the ref the benefit of the doubt, i dont think anyone can honestly say the ref wont act in a professional manner.

MementoMori

To be honest I think Derry would be more concerned about possible bias.

I know most Kerry folk would prefer to play Dublin (although getting tickets would be much tougher).

Incidentally can't remember the details but I know Aidan Mangan was already removed from a SFC game this summer (think it was a Leinster championship game) as he had been in college (same course) with one of one side's management (not sure if it was manager or selector).

Fingers crossed there won't be anything contenious as I know the last thing anyone wants to hear after the game is "the ref robbed us".

Perhaps they can switch refs between the two remaining QFs ? Sure there would be no problem with him refing the other QF:)

Flukey

What does it matter where he is from? They only choose them from other counties for show. If Dublin end up playing Monaghan, I would have no objections to Pat McEnaney, a Monaghan man and brother of the Monaghan manager, being appointed to referee the match. It won't happen of course, but only for show.

This rubbish about a referee being from some county will mean that he will favour a particular county in a match he's refereeing is just that, rubbish. People read all sorts of things into a referee's decision and then question where his mother is from and say that nobody knows who is father is. A referee bases his decision on what he thinks has happened. He may make the wrong the decision, but it is not because of where he is from or some perceived affiliation he would have. If it is not the county, someone will make the provincial connection. If Dublin lose on Saturday and a few decisions are wrong, it won't be because the referee is from Kerry. Grow up.

K-9

Flukey wrote:

What does it matter where he is from? They only choose them from other counties for show. If Dublin end up playing Monaghan, I would have no objections to Pat McEnaney, a Monaghan man and brother of the Monaghan manager, being appointed to referee the match. It won't happen of course, but only for show.

This rubbish about a referee being from some county will mean that he will favour a particular county in a match he's refereeing is just that, rubbish. People read all sorts of things into a referee's decision and then question where his mother is from and say that nobody knows who is father is. A referee bases his decision on what he thinks has happened. He may make the wrong the decision, but it is not because of where he is from or some perceived affiliation he would have. If it is not the county, someone will make the provincial connection. If Dublin lose on Saturday and a few decisions are wrong, it won't be because the referee is from Kerry. Grow up.

What he said. Did Meath object to a referee in the qualifier games because he referred a game of theirs in Leinster though?

dave13

Seanies32 wrote:

What he said. Did Meath object to a referee in the qualifier games because he referred a game of theirs in Leinster though?

Meath didn't actually object. One of the match day officials(Meath V Galway game) spotted it and made the switch. Its GAA policy to try not have a ref refereeing two game by the same team in the early stages of the championship.

K-9

Right. Conspiracy theory then.:D

cmoney

what the OP said is basically like saying all the refs from now on should be from Connaght as they are the only provinnce with no teams left in although a connaght ref would be biased against a cork team team for knocking their only team out of the chamionship.

but what Flukey said would be hilariuos for Pat McEnaney to ref a dublin monaghan match

blackbelt

Actually,the best referee in GAA in my opinion is Brian Crowe.Sure he may be overweight but he is fair and well liked by most of the players that have the privelige of having him ref a game.He'd be the equivalant of Collina.:D

Flukey

Now, I've been thinking about this. We can't have a Kerry man to referee the match. He's from Ireland, the same as the Derry fellas, so there'd be an obvious bias. One of the London refs would be from Europe, and we can't have one from the same continent as Derry are in. An Australian ref is out too, being from the same planet as Derry. The Moon goes around the Earth and can frequently be seen from Derry, so a referee from there is no use. Mars is in the same solar system, so their referees can't be considered. We can't have anyone from the same galaxy as Derry as the referee either. I suppose we have to rule out the Universe too. A paralell Universe may be slightly ahead of us, and may know the result, so that's no use. Oh well, there is nothing we can do. We'll have to call off the match.:rolleyes:

cmoney

^^^^ i must admit i laughed out loud when reading that

K-9

And then he'd want the match awarded to Dublin:D

Dublin can't get a fair match anymore sure. The media hype them up so much. You can't get a fair AI if the referee is from outside Dublin. The other 31 counties and rest of the galaxy is against Dublin.:D

Erin Go Brath

Alien referees from babylon5 are probably the best to go for. Failing that, the only suggestion is robot referees, 'roborees' i believe are the future. Humanoids are just not up the job! Or maybe, just maybe, and i know this is a crazy idea, lets just let Aidan Mangan get on with it. :rolleyes:

Het-Field

Na. I think that most referees have gone beyond a Dublin bias and are more willing to let the game flow. As late as 2001 I saw referees, like Mickey Curley with a latent dublin bias, and they were willing to display it for the world to see. Nowdays its up to Dublin to the the talking on the pitch, and if they can reach the heights, that i know they can hit, they will not need to worry about shoddy, and biased refereeing

D. Coughlan

Flukey wrote:

What does it matter where he is from? They only choose them from other counties for show. If Dublin end up playing Monaghan, I would have no objections to Pat McEnaney, a Monaghan man and brother of the Monaghan manager, being appointed to referee the match. It won't happen of course, but only for show.

This rubbish about a referee being from some county will mean that he will favour a particular county in a match he's refereeing is just that, rubbish. People read all sorts of things into a referee's decision and then question where his mother is from and say that nobody knows who is father is. A referee bases his decision on what he thinks has happened. He may make the wrong the decision, but it is not because of where he is from or some perceived affiliation he would have. If it is not the county, someone will make the provincial connection. If Dublin lose on Saturday and a few decisions are wrong, it won't be because the referee is from Kerry. Grow up.

I agree.

GAAman

Flukey wrote:

Now, I've been thinking about this. We can't have a Kerry man to referee the match. He's from Ireland, the same as the Derry fellas, so there'd be an obvious bias. One of the London refs would be from Europe, and we can't have one from the same continent as Derry are in. An Australian ref is out too, being from the same planet as Derry. The Moon goes around the Earth and can frequently be seen from Derry, so a referee from there is no use. Mars is in the same solar system, so their referees can't be considered. We can't have anyone from the same galaxy as Derry as the referee either. I suppose we have to rule out the Universe too. A paralell Universe may be slightly ahead of us, and may know the result, so that's no use. Oh well, there is nothing we can do. We'll have to call off the match.:rolleyes:

Heh nice one man!

Pride Fighter

Makes no difference in my view.

Flukey

Alien referees from babylon5 are probably the best to go for.

From what I heard, Babylon2 and Babylon8 are playing in a League game on Saturday and they want a ref from Babylon5 to be in charge. Neither team are accepting the referee from Babylon1 that the GGAA (Galactic Gaelic Athletic Association) had appointed. This was after the incident last year during the Babylon11 v Babylon4 junior final, when one of the Babylon4 players broke 3 of a Babylon11 fella's arms, poked him in 9 of his eyes and tore a load of scales off the back of his middle leg, and the ref did not even give a free. Anyway, even if a ref from Babylon5 was available, the GAA would refuse to pay his travel expenses.:)

AndyP

I'm not that bothered as long as its not a certain Michael Collins (from the planet mong)

MementoMori

I thought Aidan Mangan had a very poor game. The main problem was that he seemed to lack consistency with regard to giving fouls for tackling. He seemed to let some very heavy tackles go and then blew up for much softer ones. On another day this I don't think it affected the result in any way but I think it definately affected the quality of the match and must have driven the players nuts.

Also the Gillick {I think} two hops free was a particullarly unlucky bad one. Could see how he blew for it from his angle but from other angles it was obvious what a howler he had made.

Also I think he should have definately ticked Whelan and the Fermanagh midfielder (not sure which one) who were tussling {sp} with at the throw in.
Wasn't particularly dirty or dangerous but it is the type of stupid pointless foolish that the game doesnt need. I think a ticking to both of them would have been a good way of setting out his stall to both teams he wasnt going to stand no messing.

Related point - why does Whelan always seem to get into scrappy tussles at throw in - you think he'd have learnt at this stage of his career.

For anyone interested he was removed from one of the Laois games because himself and Liam Kearns were both from the same club - Austin Stacks.

Must do better

Nalced_irl

Flukey wrote:

Now, I've been thinking about this. We can't have a Kerry man to referee the match. He's from Ireland, the same as the Derry fellas, so there'd be an obvious bias. One of the London refs would be from Europe, and we can't have one from the same continent as Derry are in. An Australian ref is out too, being from the same planet as Derry. The Moon goes around the Earth and can frequently be seen from Derry, so a referee from there is no use. Mars is in the same solar system, so their referees can't be considered. We can't have anyone from the same galaxy as Derry as the referee either. I suppose we have to rule out the Universe too. A paralell Universe may be slightly ahead of us, and may know the result, so that's no use. Oh well, there is nothing we can do. We'll have to call off the match.:rolleyes:

Could always do the International Rules thing and have 2 refs, one from Derry and one from Dublin. And also to ensure they are chosen at random and so there is no favourtism, have a draw from entrants from the back of crisp packets (has to be Tayto tho, or possibly King...or would that be too royal ). And just to be 100% sure its a fair draw, one has to be a Salt n Vinegar and the other a Cheese and Onion man.

Aido c

Same think yesterday, they had a Meath man do a bang up job of Kerry vs. Monaghan... one think about GAA mistakes, at least there is consistency :mad: