Grenade Launchers and other stiff to stick on an M4

bullets

Hi Guys,

Can someone give me the Low down on the Dboys M4's
I need to know what Magazines are compatible with it when
I buy more and also what accessories such as grenade launcers
will fit etc.

I was never a fan or Armalites but after recently
seeing a real one and also watching too many episodes
of the Unit it left me with an urge to buy one.
(I could not decide which one Liked best so bought two)

Since everyone will recognize the shape of an M4-A1 or more likely
think/call it an M16 I bought the Dboys M4 A1.

However I noticed the hand guard did not appear to cater for installing
a grenade launcher and the carrying handle would be way too high to stick
a scope on top of it to look right.
So I bought Dboys M4 CQB/R too as it had rails.

Whats the story with grenade launchers? The grenades seem to be gas powered so I am guessing they get inserted into the launcher but they
don't actually get launched but only fire out BB's in a shower a bit like a shot gun ? Would that be correct ?

on the Kings arms website there appears to be grenades that have a rubber
bullet tip. Does this actually get fired through the air or is it just for show?

If anyone has any ideas and suggestions for me on stuff to buy for both
AEG's they would be most welcome.

I want to but both a tubed version of a red dot sight and a tubeless
4th gen style open red dot sight.

I would also love a visable green laser to stick on it but not for skirmishes
only for a personal novelty to see what it looked like.
(I have a fascination with lasers and optics) I actually want a green laser that is strong enough to melt black plastic bags but they are too expensive.
I would be happy with one that can be seen without smoke so you see the
actual full beam in low light. Laser sights as far as I know to the letter of the law should be legal if its only a pointing like device.

To the letter of the law a scope with a laser built in would be illegal
but a laser sight itself is not a "scope" its only a pointer mounted. Also
its not going on a firearm its going on a toy so should not be classed
as a component part of a firearm.

~B

tonyj_mc

correct with the 203s they fire out pellets, the one i bought of john here came with a shell that has a small rubber cap on it you fill with BBs and the gets fired off.

with regrads to laser i think there was a general conseis that they would be illegal, would love a green one myself though
has something to do with the mounting and lasers and night vision scopes are mentioned in the law

bullets

tonyj_mc wrote:

with regrads to laser i think there was a general conseis that they would be illegal,

If you go by the letter of the law it only mentions "Telescope" sights
with a light beam. As laser sights on their own are not telecope sights they
technically are perfectly legal. (my interpretation though)
And it mentions to be fitted to a firearm which airsoft is not.

Would not use for a skirmish though considering they
could cause eye damage.

>FIREARMS ACT (as amended) 1925-2006
>Section 1 part (i)
>the following articles shall be deemed to be such component parts:
>(i) telescope sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic >light amplification device or an infra-red device, designed to be fitted to a >firearm specified in paragraph

So I reckon happy days!
~B

ED E

Looking at a mini 203 for my UMP

Rew

bullets wrote:

If you go by the letter of the law it only mentions "Telescope" sights
with a light beam. As laser sights on their own are not telecope sights they
technically are perfectly legal. (my interpretation though)
And it mentions to be fitted to a firearm which airsoft is not.

Would not use for a skirmish though considering they
could cause eye damage.

>FIREARMS ACT (as amended) 1925-2006
>Section 1 part (i)
>the following articles shall be deemed to be such component parts:
>(i) telescope sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic >light amplification device or an infra-red device, designed to be fitted to a >firearm specified in paragraph

Light beam is considered to be a laser not sure why they mentioned the telescopic bit though. Its dosnt say "to be fitted to a firearm" it says "designed to be fitted to a firearm" so dodnt matter if itson a airsoft or off it its illeagle by design.

bullets

Rew wrote:

Light beam is considered to be a laser not sure why they mentioned the telescopic bit though. Its dosnt say "to be fitted to a firearm" it says "designed to be fitted to a firearm" so dodnt matter if itson a airsoft or off it its illeagle by design.

All the Grey areas of Irish law that can be interpreted
in loads of different ways

Light beam can be considered to be a laser.
I think the wording of the "telescope sights" is the get out of jail for free card. It specifically mentions telescope sights "with" a light beam.
If its JUST a laser diode/pointer on its own it does not fall into
that category.

If you took an ordinary laser pointer that you would get in
a pound/euro shop and got a bit of tape or blutack or
super glue and stuck it to a wooden stick, a golfclub or any other thing
its not breaking the law in anyway whatsoever. Take the same laser pointer
and tape it to an airsoft then there should be no difference. same laser
pointer on a mount to attach to a rail of a toy airsoft should be ok too.

Wonder how it would pan out in court if someone was done for it
~B

Mark_Sc

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<-- thats a beam

. <-- thats what we use, a dot.


I thin its ok as long as it isn't visable from the side


you know what i mean?

ED E

The point is high power scopes(no use for us), NV scopes and pointers in real steel are for millitary use. They are illegal to try to prevent the IRA ect rtrying to get their hands on them.

Realisically I doubt there would be a problem.

ambro25

@ bullets - FYI, the carrying handle is removable (unscrew the two bolts on left side) and leaves a standard waver rail, ready to receive anything rail-mountable. (look at the pics in my review thread, there should be a pic of it without the carry handle - I've yet to update my review with a new pic showing it minus the carry handle and with the red dot in place).

EDIT - see here, last pic in the opening post

You can also buy 'aftermarket rails' (designed for M733 handguard), which will readily fit the M4A1 handguard from RSOV, they're £3,99.

As for mags, the DBoys is fully TM-compatible, whereby I expect just about any M4 mag of any brand in lo-cap, mid-cap or hi-cap should fit. (I have 2 DBoys metal hicaps for sale @ €20 atm, btw ).

The laser "is it/isn't it legal" debate has been going on in here for a long time (well... relatively speaking). That's for laser target designators, not red dots (which aren't really lasers). I hear your interpretation, and personally subscribe to it, but the consensus atm is that airsoft lasers aren't any more legal than RS ones

Fallschirmjager

i have dboys cqb and i can confirm it took every category of m4 mag i have...and i have a few types, all tm compatible...so get a mag that is tm compatible and it will work..my primary mix is mid caps tho...

i also have am m203 but it is quite heavy and i am not sure the dbiys is made to hold the weight.


also i got the latest king arms cheap gas grenades. they are absolute ****e tbh, of the 3 pack i got, 1 didnt work at all, 1 has a leak in the gas inlet nozzle, 1 sort of fires...could be i got a few lemons, but i wont risk another batch of them..i had the red tipped ones..


i will tell you tho i am going to get a foam NERF mini vortex as they fit in an m203 barrell. there is a screamer version that sounds like incoming (well not really tbh) they are made of foam and are all the rage in the US for mortars....i want to see does it work...

bullets

Cool thanks guys, Cant wait to get my hands
on the new goodies.

If be interested in getting something that whistles through the
air and sounds (even a little) like an incoming.

~B

o1s1n

Mark_Sc wrote:

---

<-- thats a beam

. <-- thats what we use, a dot.


I thin its ok as long as it isn't visable from the side


you know what i mean?

A laser IS a beam. Whether you can see it or not.

Genghiz Cohen

maybe they mean scopes that emit IR light to illuminate the area infront of them, i know SVD(which i want (woe is me:( )) rifles have a special scope to pick up the light emitted by other snipers, and then, well, ouch.

It does say "telescope sights with a light beam", rather than "mountable light emitting devices", and i would class a laser as the latter, anyway i want a laser sight for my NEW pistol(see pic thread) even then you could buy a laser pointer and tape it onto your plinker.

o1s1n

The 'telescopic' part does make it a bit of a weird one alright. I'll agree. I'm still skeptical about the whole thing myself.

However, two people who know what they're talking about having dealt with firearms and firearms laws are Paul and Sparks. They both say they're illegal to hold unlicensed.

The way I look at it is, we have enough trouble trying to legitimize our sport. Do we need another grey area when it comes to the law? Are laser sights that important? I really don't think so.

Have one if you want. I'm not your mother. Just try not to talk about them on here. You're just giving the anti's more ammunition.

'Pellet gun sport uses illegal mountable lasers on their GUNS blah blah etc'

Hivemind187

o1s1n wrote:

The 'telescopic' part does make it a bit of a weird one alright. I'll agree. I'm still skeptical about the whole thing myself.

However, two people who know what they're talking about having dealt with firearms and firearms laws are Paul and Sparks. They both say they're illegal to hold unlicensed.

The way I look at it is, we have enough trouble trying to legitimize our sport. Do we need another grey area when it comes to the law? Are laser sights that important? I really don't think so.

Have one if you want. I'm not your mother. Just try not to talk about them on here. You're just giving the anti's more ammunition.

'Pellet gun sport uses illegal mountable lasers on their GUNS blah blah etc'

Having read the relevent section all I can say on the subject is:

Its VERY poorly written.

It has, however, been left quite vague without much clarification of the devices in question in order to provide descretionary powers to the Gardai and customs officers who would be likely to encounter them. Like much of Irish law its open to interpretation but it is, as always, better to err on the side of safety (in this case don't buy them or import them).

Red Dot and Holographic reflex sights should be more than adequet for the kind of things we do in Airsoft and since these dont emit a beam (or anything else for that matter) they comply with the law perfectly.

"Lasers? C'mon, those are for gang-bangers who can't shoot straight!"
- Fifty points for whoever can name the movie (clue: Dennis Leary and Patrick Stewart were in it)

Genghiz Cohen

o1s1n wrote:

The way I look at it is, we have enough trouble trying to legitimize our sport. Do we need another grey area when it comes to the law?

Agreed, staying clear of more gray areas, i mean how crappy would you feel if you sunk the entire air soft community knee deep into critisism.
Pretty crappy is how crappy.

N.O.I.P.

Hivemind187 wrote:

"Lasers? C'mon, those are for gang-bangers who can't shoot straight!"
- Fifty points for whoever can name the movie (clue: Dennis Leary and Patrick Stewart were in it)

Gunmen, I'd like single non-sequential points and I'll contact you with the drop point details

Boston

o1s1n wrote:

A laser IS a beam. Whether you can see it or not.

QTF

What exactly is a red dot though.

ambro25

A targeting reticle device (e.g. a scope), with or without magnification, in which a luminous aiming dot (usually red in colour) is internally projected on the centre of the optic surface, by a LED or the like. Usually the dot is adjustable for elevation and windage as well, by knobs on the side of the device.

Like so:


A laser emits light (whereby the light 'beam'), a red dot does not (it's all internal, just using reflection/refraction).

CrazyRabbit

You know, we really need to get a judge interested in playing airsoft. Would make these type of questions a lot easier to get answered.

Fallschirmjager

CrazyRabbit wrote:

You know, we really need to get a judge interested in playing airsoft. Would make these type of questions a lot easier to get answered.

lol good point crazy....

H.O.T.A.S.

On the subject of Grenade Launchers, has anyone had experience fitting them onto an AUG? If so what type did you buy (short or full length) and how easy is it to attached (without having to buy an Uber expensive RIS system for the AUG)?

Waylander24

I just fitted one to my M15. Its the non RIS long version. Took about 15 mins to do.