Eye Poker The New ipoker Selection Tool

dvdfan

Alot of people here say that table selection can be one of the more important aspects of the game and can greatly increase your BB/100. So heres the new tool available for ipoker

http://www.spadeit.com/eindex.php

Now ive never used other table selection tools so iwouldnt know but i presumed i would just open it up and it was a central database and i wouldnt have to datamine but not so. So i was hoping people who do use these tools will share some of their experience. I know alot of stuff might seem obvious but for someone that hasnt used it this information could be very helpful.

So ill suggest a few topics and maybe someone can write a few words on any section they feel they can add too no matter how much or little.

1) Datamining - How long do you feel do you need to datamine for the information to be useful enough to make the table selection profitable, 1hour, 30 mins, a couple of hours or do you just use the info you have in poker tracker??

2) Key Stats - When you have your datamining done and you search the database whats the 1st few key stats that attract you to a table, is it V$PIP, Showdowns Won, Agression etc, and can you elaborate on what makes the best combination for eg would you go for a 50/2/1.0 - 50/30/1.0 - 50/2/6.0 or 50/30/6.0 and why?

3) When you sit down with a typical 50/10 fish i tend to see alot of regulars show up 1 by 1 at the table obviously attracted by the smell of blood by whatever means they use to track their prey. Pretty soon youll find the regulars will loosen up to get at the fish so are we just sitting tight waiting for the right hand or getting involved in alot of pots in position against the fish and trying to isolate him and if so would you be doing that with a typical button stealing range type of hands or would you play tighter?

4) How much effort do you put into the buddy system, on ipoker for example i might have a nice few buddies but some are just bad players and some are just huge fish, is there a good system on ipoker where you can track the real fish or should i only buddy big fish and just keep notes on the player that isnt a huge fish but will stack off with TPTK and TPGK and just cant drop them?

ianmc38

I've just started using it recently, but the datamining tool keeps crashing.

1. You can never have enough datamined hands as there are new players start every day. I would think 100 hands is enough to make a reasonable assumption about a player though 1k hands is probably a more accurate reflection of VPIP/PFR. I had a guy at 11/8 over 300 hands who is now 24/18 over 1500.

2. VPIP> The higher the better. Loose passive/passive. Ie High vpip low pfr, low afr are the best, but anyone with a vpip of 35 or more is usually a fish. 35/25 players can be tricky to play against, where as a 35/5 is normally retarded.

3. Play normally and try to isolate the fish where possible.

4. Very little though there are a few i look for regularly. EyePoker is great for that.

ocallagh

I tried Eye Pokerbut couldn't get it to work.

I wrote a combination of batch scripts and au3 scripts etc that start GJP, open 8 tables based on a filter (2/4, 6-max etc) and then starts GoldMine. It's slightly complicated and involves scheduling tasks on your PC etc... but when it's setup it runs smoothly. It recycles itself every hour to make sure the tables haven't closed or broken

dvdfan

ocallagh wrote:

I tried Eye Pokerbut couldn't get it to work.

I wrote a combination of batch scripts and au3 scripts etc that start GJP, open 8 tables based on a filter (2/4, 6-max etc) and then starts GoldMine. It's slightly complicated and involves scheduling tasks on your PC etc... but when it's setup it runs smoothly. It recycles itself every hour to make sure the tables haven't closed or broken

What was wrong with Ocallagh, i presume if your able to do that automated table opening etc that youd be well able to figure out how to configure it to connect to the database so was it some other sort of problem.

btw if you want to share the batch files id love them, also do you know carlos poker on the ipoker network can open as many tables as you want for datamining.

RedJoker

I use SpadeEye on Party and it looks like this is the same crowd.

1. Datamining is extremely important for all this, I've left the computer on datamining overnight on numerous occasions. I'll also leave it on for maybe half an hour before I play if my 'known player' percentage is kinda low. It opens and closes tables by itself, you set what conditions need to be met for a table to be opened or closed. While your playing you can also open other tables and 'datamine in background'.

2. I don't look at table stats. I'm looking for buddies. You can import buddies from your database and set criteria based on VPIP, PFR, AF and hands. Personally I buddylist anybody with VPIP > 50 and hands > 20. This gives me a nice selection to choose from. Next I'll bring up the tables on SpadeEye and look first at VPIP (the higher the better), then at PFR and AF, generally the lower the better but playing against maniacs can be profitable too. I'll also take stack sizes into account, there's little point playing against somebody with 20 buy-ins, the more money they're playing, the better.

3. The most important thing to concentrate on is getting position on the fish. Put yourself on the waiting list for several promising tables and only sit if you can get in the 1 or 2 (maybe 3) seats to the left of the fish. You will be playing the majority of your hands against him and you want to be in position. My isolating range is a bit tighter than my stealing range but it's opponent specific, if they fold to cbets a lot or limp fold a lot then you can isolate as much as you like. Be aware that the better TAGs/LAGs will be isolating frequently (though not as much as their stealing range) and adjust your 3 bet frequencies accordingly. It's kinda like a modified squeeze play.

4. I put a lot of effort into table selection, it WILL increase your win rate. Buddylist all the fish and you can decide who to play against at the time, being aware that a fish is playing and having the choice to play them or not is better than not knowing and not giving yourself that option.

Of course there are players with 30% VPIP who stack off too light or bluff too much, etc. but usually the higher the VPIP the more likely a player is to be a fish.

ocallagh

dvdfan wrote:

What was wrong with Ocallagh, i presume if your able to do that automated table opening etc that youd be well able to figure out how to configure it to connect to the database so was it some other sort of problem.

btw if you want to share the batch files id love them, also do you know carlos poker on the ipoker network can open as many tables as you want for datamining.

Eye Poker was connecting to my DB fine, and it was scraping the tables etc fine, but then it would just hang. I didn't look into it too much, I saw a few posts on 2+2 from users with the same problem.

I know, I've had problems opening up an account on Carlos but when I do I'll get more tables up and running. I'm heading out now, but will send you a PM with the scripts. I'll try tidy them up a small bit:)

ZZR1100

i tried it tonight on carlos and while it opened the tables and sent the HH files .XML to a directory with no problems, PT had problems reading them .
10 files found 0 new hands added to db.
btw ..Any1 have any ideas on how to get postgreSQL working on vista?
Access dbs keep filling up on me.

ocallagh

ok have the script all packaged up with readme's. if anyone wants it PM me. dvdfan, pm sent

ianmc38

niall is it working on gjp for u? the dataminer wont work at all for me

ocallagh

ianmc38 wrote:

niall is it working on gjp for u? the dataminer wont work at all for me

no, i never got Eye Poker working.

For datamining, I use Gold Mine and some home brew scripts for opening tables.

dvdfan

Ive edited the files to mine Carlos Poker for as many tables as you want and emailed it to Ocallagh if anyone wants it, ive also added a line that deals with a problem if it tries to select a beginners table and your not allowed play it.

ZZR1100

its working now on carlos.make sue player actions is ticked

Mr_Snood

Hi.

I am the author of SpadeEye and EyePoker.

EyePoker is very new and mainly for tableselection.
It is still in busy developement.
Today i released version 1.17:
http://www.spadeit.com/edownload.php

Some problems with the handhistory files has been fixed, but please note:
Make sure you are using the english pokerroom client and that all chat options are enabled.

To enable all chat options open a table and press the "Chat options" button above the chat window.
Check all entries.

When you press "Run datamining" make sure the poker client lobby is displaying the stakes you want to datamine.
You may also take a look at the EyePoker filter to avoid "Beginner" tables or something...

Mr_Snood

Just wanted to leave a short note, that version 1.18 has now been released:
http://www.spadeit.com/edownload.php

The datamining should be stable now, and the generated handhistory files should be compliant with Pokertracker and Pokeroffice.

dvdfan

Mr_Snood wrote:

Just wanted to leave a short note, that version 1.18 has now been released:
http://www.spadeit.com/edownload.php

The datamining should be stable now, and the generated handhistory files should be compliant with Pokertracker and Pokeroffice.

Quick Question on the datamining, on the guide there is a graphic that shows an option:

Datamine Observed only

But its not available on the new version i downloaded?

The thing im trying to do is have computer A datamine while i play on computer B but if Eyepoker mines my table and im mining by having poker tracker and poker ace hud running then ill probably get double stats???? Or is there a way around it

Also Is there any future plans to add an option where a table must meet minumim criteria before it will open it for mining and it will close a table if it falls outside the requirements, example of requirements are say min 4 people at a table, or a min Ave V$PIP, Ave Pot Amount etc

lastly on the datamining would it be possible to have a window that shows how many hands are processed?

Cheers

Mr_Snood

The pic in the guide is taken from SpadeEye.
Had not the time to take pics from EyePoker.

Nevertheless it is no problem.
Pokertracker and Pokeroffice import the hands by gamenumber.
So no duplicate hands will be imported...

You can already use the EyePoker filter to define a playercount, a table must fit, to get opened.

I have not took a detailed look yet, but a feature to automatically close the tables is on my todo list.

I will add a counter somewhere to show how many hands have been written to disk during the datamining.

dvdfan

Thats Great Mr.Snood, i didnt realise that filter was for the datamining i taught it was just filtering table selection.

Mr_Snood

Yes, thats different to SpadeEye.

I tried to ease the usage in comparison to SpadeEye.

Usually you datamine the stakes you play,
so sharing this kind of settings between datamining and tablescanning sounds reasoned.